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  • Is a Raimondo Run for Real?

    by: Ryan Anderson

    Mon Nov 19, 2007 at 08:11:58 AM CST


    For months now, the well-connected conservative blog Leavenworth Street has been suggesting that Columbus industrialist and conservative Republican Tony Raimondo was being encouraged to switch parties in order to avoid the Republican primary for Senate.  And for months we here in Nebraska's liberal blogosphere have completely ignored this story, figuring it nothing but an unsubstantiated rumor meant only to rile us up.

    Unfortunately, it looks like we may have made a big mistake.  The rumor has since left the conservative blogs and wormed its way into the mainstream media, where its source appears to be none other than the man himself: Tony Raimondo.  Here's a brief recap for those who haven't been following this story:

    First of all, Raimondo has been considering running for the Senate since May... as a Republican.  But shortly after Bob Kerrey demurred, Raimondo announced he was dropping out as well - he said he just didn't think he could make it through a crowded GOP primary with Gov. Mike Johanns in the race.  But then he made sure every story announcing his decision included some superflous comment about the possibility of switching parties:

    NTV"Raimondo says no one's suggested to him that he run for the Senate seat as a Democrat. He said while he has no plans to switch parties, he would listen if asked."

    Omaha World Herald"Raimondo also said he has not been approached by anyone, including his friend Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson, to run as a Democrat. He said he would listen if approached but has no plans to switch parties."

    Etc.  So basically he's been saying "I'd never even think of switching parties by myself, but if you guys really want me to... okay."  I'd be tempted to brush these comments off if they had just stopped there, but they haven't.  After Mayor Fahey announced he wasn't running either, Nebraska Public Radio briefly recapped the remaining field of Democratic contenders: Scott Kleeb... and Tony Raimondo:

    Kleeb said he will decide sooner rather than later. Meanwhile, Columbus industrialist Tony Raimondo, who earlier said he would not run for the Republican nomination, indicated he might run as a Democrat.  Raimondo declined to be interviewed on tape, but told NET radio he's still interested in the Senate race.  The Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Behlen Manufacturing, said he's always been an independent person... "I haven't let a brand slow me down," Raimondo said.  He indicated he would probably decide whether to run by the end of November.
    Ryan Anderson :: Is a Raimondo Run for Real?
    A subtle but significant change, don't ya think?  No longer talking about how he "hasn't been approached" but would consider "if asked"... might it be because someone has approached and he's already been asked?  I don't know, but I think we deserve to find out.

    We can't be sure that there's a fire here yet, but there sure is a lot of smoke.  And if there is even one spark of truth to this story, it needs to end right now.  A Raimondo candidacy would be a disaster for Nebraska Democrats on every conceivable front, reducing us to a laughingstock while depriving our state of the true dialogue it deserves.  What happens to our party when we start selling nominations to the highest bidder? And what happens to our democracy when we offer a choice between two Republicans in the primary... and a choice between two Republicans in the general?

    It'd be a different story if Raimondo was a genuine progressive, or even a moderate, disillusioned with his party and willing to run strong and loud under the Democratic banner, but he's not.  So far as I can see, Raimondo's only claim to bipartisanship is his personal friendship with Ben Nelson.  That's all fine and good, but that does not a Democrat make.  His stated reason for dropping out of the Republican race was not idealogical, was not even personal: it was a matter of pure political convenience.  "Raimondo said he decided he couldn't compete in the GOP primary after Johanns jumped into the race."  The motivation behind any potential party switch would be immediately transparent to all, and it could only do further damage to Democratic credibility statewide if we simply pretended our new Emperor was really wearing clothes.

    Hell, it'd be a different story if Raimondo was the only candidate that was looking at this race, but he's not.  Scott Kleeb may not have the ability to write his campaign a $10 million check, but he's a real progressive who'd give Nebraska Democrats a real reason to stand up and be proud.  To me, even the hope of a campaign like that is reason enough to veto Raimondo.  Whether we lose in November, whether we even compete at all, let us not surrender our party and our principles before this campaign even starts.

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    I don't think there's much to worry about (0.00 / 0)
    I think Scott Kleeb or pretty much any Democrat ought to be able to beat a Republican in a Democratic primary. It sounds to me like Raimondo is saying he would run as a Democrat rather than have an uncontested general election. If the Democrats don't contest an open Senate seat, then they can't really complain about whatever happens.

    I hope you're right (0.00 / 0)
    I hope I'm just being paranoid, but I'm not willing to just wait and see.  I'm confident Scott would beat Raimondo in a Democratic primary... which is exactly why I'm worried about this story.  The only reason Raimondo dropped out of the Republican race was because he didn't want to run in a primary he knew he would lose.  Well, hopefully he's smart enough to recognize that he couldn't win a contested Democratic primary either. 

    Given his skiddish attitude towards tough races and his comments about "being approached" and "being asked" to switch parties, I fear he's banking on the party itself to help him force Kleeb out of the race.  And if he says "Look, do what you can to get me this nomination and you'll never have to worry about spending money in this state for the rest of the cycle", and if the DSCC listens... that puts Scott in an incredibly tough spot.  Either he can stay out of the race and watch us demolish the party, or he can get in and find himself fighting the combined forces of both parties at the same time.

    I know I'm connecting a lot of dots here, but suppose I'm right.  Suppose the DSCC is already hearing about Raimondo's ability to take this race off their hands.  Well, don't they deserve to hear the other side of the story... the voices of the activists who don't want our party sold to the highest bidder?  Let's make sure our voices are added to the mix, let's make them choose between people power and money power.

    Now suppose I'm wrong.  I haven't exagerated or distorted my views about a Raimondo candidacy: I'm just making my voice heard.  What do we have to lose by speaking up now rather than later?


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    If that $10 million dollars..... (0.00 / 0)
    would go towards a true coordinated campaign that would help Kleeb in the 3rd Congressional District, I'm sure voters could find a lot to like in a Raimondo/Kleeb ticket.  But, Raimondo would owe an honest explanation and substantive reason for why he'd be running as a Democrat.  Simple convenience isn't going to cut it.

    When there are as many unanswered questions as we see here, it's not fair to call this hypothetical situation "a disaster" for Nebraska Democrats.  If we can find a candidate whom Ben Nelson is willing to fully support - who falls in the Nelson mold and could self fund his own race - we should be no more blind to the opportunity than we are aware of the dangers.

    To even admit the possibility that we won't compete at all - and then to close the door on Raimondo - is the most suicidal and self-destructive position imaginable.


    Raimondo is a Republican (0.00 / 0)
    We should not, and can not, run Republicans for office because it is easier.

    That sacrifices our morals and is wrong.  If Raimondo runs in the general, Nebraska Democrats will not get up and vote because they know their party doesn't care about what they stand for.

    That's my take.

    Plus, he isn't just a Republican.  He's a far right wing guy.  Union buster, an almost Bush cabinent member.  Yep, sounds like a perfect Democrat!

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    Sorry, Kyle... (0.00 / 0)
    There's nothing to like about Raimondo. Nothing. We would be selling our souls.

    I will not stand for allowing Republicans to run as Democrats out of mere political convenience - I learned my lesson from Kate Witek.


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    Not to mention... (0.00 / 0)
    You are the same person who railed (rightly so, I might add) against Pete Ricketts "buying" the Republican Party last year. Why would it be right if Raimondo did it? How would it be better if a Republican businessman bought the Democratic Party... worse yet, because individuals in the leadership of that party asked him to.

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    This would be a disaster (0.00 / 0)
    If we want to rebuild our party, or even tread water where we're at, the first thing we'll need is confidence and respect.  And that starts with self-confidence and self-respect.  If we simply pretend that we can't see a Raimondo party switch for what it obviously is, then we're no better off than we would be just running an empty slot.  I'm dead serious about that. 

    Again, this would be entirely different if there was a substantiative reason for a Raimondo candidacy, but there isn't.  Any ad hoc explanation offered now, only weeks after he dropped a Republican race for no reason other than political calculation, would be an insult to our intelligence and an insult to the voters of Nebraska.  Raimondo is welcome to run, but he should run loud and proud under the banner that truly suits him best.  And he's left no doubt in the entirety of his political career, up to and including this Senate race, that he better belongs in the Republican party.

    I recognize that my post requires a few quick leaps in the logic department.  I recognize that I may only be seeing what I don't want to see.  But please, don't avert your eyes to the obvious rational behind Raimondo's statements just because it could potentially benefit us in one race or one election cycle.  It's time to stand up and be proud to call ourselves Democrats.  We deserve a candidate who will do the same.


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    "The entirety of his political career" (0.00 / 0)
    To my knowledge, Raimondo has never before run for office.  If you want to offer substantive reasons for why Raimondo is not a Democrat, please do so.  But, fabricating a record that does not exist to attack a man who isn't even a candidate goes beyond "jumping the gun."

    Readers don't know the first damn thing about Raimondo besides his being a successful businessman who supported Ben Nelson and was attacked by Pete Ricketts in 2006.  I'm by no means vouching for his Democratic credentials, but those who would demand substantive reasons for a potential party change should at least be willing to offer those same substantive reasons in retort.

    My vote isn't for sale, but I'm not going to tell the salesman to F%@#-off before he's even made his pitch.  We're more hospitable than that in Nebraska - we should be in the Nebraska Democratic Party as well.


    [ Parent ]
    Political career not the same thing (0.00 / 0)
    as running for office.  Dave does recount some disturbing points from Raimondo's record here: http://www.unodemocr...

    [ Parent ]
    Kyle... (0.00 / 0)
    As Ryan mentioned, there's the little problem of him being a failed Bush nominee in 2004.

    And then there's the even bigger problem: as recently as two months ago, he was running for office as a Republican.

    I will not stand idly by and watch my party's nomination be sold to the highest bidder.


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    Do you really want to choose between the lesser of two evils... (0.00 / 0)
    in the general?  Johanns or this guy?

    How can we ever expect voters in this state to take us seriously when we court Republicans for our party!

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    Let's Get Our Facts Straight (0.00 / 0)
    Chuck Hagel had as much to do with killing Raimondo's nomination as anyone - because he'd supported Nelson over Hagel in 1996.

    As for Raimondo's running for office as a Republican, when did that happen?  Blog rumors and name dropping don't suffice as running for office in my book.

    As for the charge that Raimondo was outsourcing to China, that story was refuted when it was revealed the products being manufactured overseas were for the Chinese market.

    For God's sake, I'm not pushing for a Raimondo run by any stretch of the imagination, but can't we at least be reasonable and avoid the hysterics?


    [ Parent ]
    Raimondo openly stated in the press... (0.00 / 0)
    That he was considering seeking the Republican nomination. Then, he dropped out. Not because he didn't think the Republican Party suited him, but because he didn't think he could win!

    Kyle, we're two weeks removed from giving Jon Bruning an award for his sacrificing his beliefs to political convenience. Are you going to turn around now and say that Raimondo wouldn't be doing the same if he ran as a Democrat?


    [ Parent ]
    Reasonable? Hell yeah! (0.00 / 0)
    Some of us still stand for principles Kyle. You are the King of Hyperbole and you implore those of us that want the NDP to stand for something other than just buckets of money to "avoid the hysterics?!!"

    That's rich!


    [ Parent ]
    I'm can't speak for others... (0.00 / 0)
    ... but I'm not being hysterical. However, I'm not going to lie... Bush must've known alot about this guy before he would have nominated him to be his Manufacturing Czar. I'm also going to take heed of a pattern that is played out in the articles I found when Yahooing (I like Yahoo more than google, so sue me, haha) his name that places him squarely in the ranks of the right business type republican.

    Bush doesn't consider nominating Democrats, not even moderates since early on in his presidency, so that is quite telling and we would have heard something about it I think if he was a break from that pattern.

    The thing with the Chinese factory... whether or not there was some exporting of jobs or not, anyone who runs against him will make it look like it. That just is a reality.

    And according to a CNN article I read earlier, it was John Kerry who originally tried to kill Raimondo's nomination, and for some reason Hagel wasn't even told of it and then he joined the chorus after the decision had already been made. Apparently the Bush administration didn't trust him to keep his mouth shut.

    That a businessman sucks up to elected officials of both parties is no surprise, nor is it indicative of political philosophy.

    He was also... I think the head or some important post for the National Assoc of Manufacturers, which would really make Union people here in Nebraska leap for joy should he get the nod.

    etc etc etc

    "When I look inside and see that I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I look outside and see that I am everything, that is love... and between those two, my life turns." -Nisargadatta Maharaj


    [ Parent ]
    Hagel Killed Raimondo (0.00 / 0)
    The White House has said Hagel killed the nomination. Sure Kerry opposed it and exploited the China connection, but in the aftermath it was the White House and the National Association of Manufacturing that fingered Hagel.

    "An informed industry source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Raimondo's not being nominated was "a Chuck Hagel kibosh from the get-go," - The Hill, 3/14/07

      "According to sources familiar with the matter, Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., staunchly opposed the nomination of Raimondo, a close friend of Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb. Nelson is a former business partner of Raimondo, serving at one time on the board of his company, Behlen Manufacturing Co." - Congress Daily 3/12/04

    "An aide close to Bush said last night the uncertainty about the nomination had "nothing to do with Senator Kerry or his baseless charges." This aide, who thought the nomination would go forward, said the delay "more has to do with congressional notification issues and things like that than it does anything else."

    The congressional issues concerned one of the senators from Raimondo's home state, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R). An aide said last night that Hagel had no comment.
    -- Washington Post, March 11, 2004

    The only person who blames anyone other than Hagel is Hagel himself and his paid lackeys.


    [ Parent ]
    You don't think they had ANY motivation... (0.00 / 0)
    for saying that their opponent in the election didn't defeat their nominee???

    Come on!


    [ Parent ]
    Come on!?!?!? (0.00 / 0)
    do you think the inept Kerry campaign has the juice to kill any nomination - let alone Raimondo's? Are you serious?

    Again, find anyone other than Hagel or someone on his payroll (including the NEGOP) that says otherwise. You can't.

    I cant find it but I know Tony ultimately fingered Hagel as the reason he was stopped and he did it in the Nebraska press.

    Call anyone with a lick of sense about NE politics if you can't handle the facts as they've been laid out.


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    I don't know that it matters (0.00 / 0)
    so much whose gun fired the fatal bullet, the fact is that plenty of people on our side were on that firing squad just four years ago.  I don't know if we can really expect to get all of them back in the fold, especially labor (who have already shown a willingness to cross the aisle for the Johanns-Heineman machine).  It would be difficult to run a true coordinated campaign based on money alone, we need activist support as well.

    Honestly, I'm not trying to poison the wells, I was just the first one to take a drink.  I'm sorry if the water made me sick.  This information came from our side... it would've come back to bite us eventually.  I fear that a Raimondo candidacy might do nothing but depress Democratic turnout and activists, costing us down-ticket races in the process. 


    [ Parent ]
    Poisoning the well (0.00 / 0)
    Honestly, I'm not trying to poison the wells...

    No, Ryan, that's precisely what you're trying to do.  Or, at any rate, that's what releasing this information from "our side" was intended to do.

    I have no doubt it's well-intentioned, but let's not pretend that it's noble.


    [ Parent ]
    Well... (0.00 / 0)
    ... you could call it poisoning the wells, or just a blogger trying to use some words to hinder a potential candidate he thinks would be bad for the party while said candidacy is still in its infancy.

    "When I look inside and see that I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I look outside and see that I am everything, that is love... and between those two, my life turns." -Nisargadatta Maharaj

    [ Parent ]
    Kyle... (0.00 / 0)
    Give me one good reason why we should even consider backing off. This is about the future of our party. I know you care, I know you've invested a hell of a lot of time in Democratic politics over the years. So why the hell would you think it'd be a good idea to give the keys to a Republican just because he's Ben Nelson's buddy?


    [ Parent ]
    Re: A Good Idea (0.00 / 0)
    I don't believe I've said anything that could be construed as encouragement or excitement towards Raimondo running for U.S. Senate.  That said, I'm not willing to stoop to this level of blatant fear-mongering that would make Raimondo out to be some sort of Republican boogieman.  He'd have a whole lot to prove and a whole lot to overcome to earn my trust or my vote, but I'm not going to be so close-minded that I wouldn't even give him that chance.

    As I've repeated over and over on NNN - and meant it every time - ultimately, I'm not all that concerned with labels.  I know who I am.  I know what I believe.  I refuse to be reduced or reduce others to the letter next to our names on the Secretary of State's computers.  You say this is about "the future of our party" - and, it is - but that's of secondary importance to the futures of our state and our nation.

    Nebraska needs a strong and principled Democratic alternative to the Republican status quo that is strangling the life from our state.  But, more importantly, we need good government, and I don't believe raw partisanship appealing to our worst instincts under the guise of our highest ideals should pervert that primary interest.

    I have no idea what's going on behind the scenes, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions about a man's character and his principles on the basis of incomplete facts and denunciations offered up without even a semblance of objectivity. Politics is often stupid and ugly.  That doesn't mean we need to be a part of it, playing the same games - not if we have faith in the voters and in democracy itself.


    [ Parent ]
    We have to stand for something... (4.00 / 1)
    Being a Democrat has to mean something, or else politics just becomes a sport, and a political party just a team. We speak in these kinds of metaphors a lot, but everyone realizes that something deeper is at work. If we do this, Kyle, we become exactly what the voices - who I discounted then but now realize as prescient - at the 2006 convention said we'd become: a party without principle, concerned only about elections, standing for nothing at all.

    Ryan and I, while volunteering for Esch last year, discussed the unlikely possibility that - should Witek win - she'd run for Senate. Turns out we might be getting something far worse.

    We know Tony Raimondo's record. We know the reason why he'd become a Democrat. This isn't about labels, Kyle. Being a Democrat has to be more than a label. It has to mean something.

    Because if we're just a sports team picking up free agents? We're the Kansas City Royals.


    [ Parent ]
    Without hysterics (0.00 / 0)
    I'll agree with you here: "He'd have a whole lot to prove and a whole lot to overcome to earn my trust or my vote," although I obviously disagree about just how much "a whole lot" is.

    For me, Raimondo will have to prove some commitment to our party that goes beyond mere political convenience.  Frankly, this seems an impossibly high hurdle for someone who, by their own admission, would currently be running for office as a Republican if only he thought he could win.  If I could even imagine an explanation sufficient to bury suspicion that this is all about convenience and money, I would have hedged and I would have qualified.  But I can't.

    If Raimondo's convictions somehow exceed my imagination, if he got in and made a convincing case for himself, I would be the first one to admit I was wrong. That's the kind of blogging I like best: bashing Ernie Chambers at the start of the session and praising him at the end, or criticizing Swift when the prayer story broke and congratulating them when they came back to the table.  If Raimondo gives me that opportunity, I will take it happily.

    But right now, I'm only being sincere about my feelings towards his potential candidacy.  Those feelings are strong, and I suspect they are shared by a fair number of activists in our party.  If Raimondo is serious about getting in this race, he deserves to know just how difficult those feelings will be to overcome.


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    Leadership (0.00 / 0)
    I can't understand how anyone that is an officer, a delegate, or an activist in the NDP or any of its Affiliated Caucus Organizations, could actively support the recruitment of a Republican to run for any office under our banner and publicly proclaim that it is their intention to support such an act.

    If you decide to take up a position of leadership within the NDP then I believe you owe those you represent more than just tepid partisanship; I believe you owe the party your heart and soul.

    If you want to straddle the fence and support situations that are contrary to the well being of our party then I believe you should quit pretending to be a Democratic leader, step down from any positions you currently hold, and proclaim yourself to be an independent.


    [ Parent ]
    Whoa (4.00 / 1)
    Kyle doesn't owe his "heart" and "soul" to anyone.  He doesn't owe his time and his service, either, and we should be thankful that he has given both to a party that desperately needs help. 

    There may be substantial disagreement between Kyle and myself on this issue, but it's easier to understand that disagreement if you actually listen to what Kyle says.  He has said nothing that should be construed as "actively supporting" Raimondo's recruitment.  If anything, he's said only that Raimondo better make a damn good pitch if he wants our support.


    [ Parent ]
    As I said (0.00 / 0)
    Those are my beliefs Ryan, that's what I stated. Everyone can disagree with me, and that is fine, but what I said is what I believe.

    Kyle, you, I, or anyone else can believe as they choose to, but we all have to live with the consequences of what we say and do.

    Personally I believe the conversation you started in this thread was not only necessary, but courageous. Thank you for that.


    [ Parent ]
    You're welcome (0.00 / 0)
    I only hope something constructive comes out of it.

    [ Parent ]
    Ryan's right... (0.00 / 0)
    I'm not questioning Kyle's principles or conviction here. I wish he could see things from my perspective, but he is an ally and a friend and I won't stand for anyone attacking him.

    Kyle and I have gone round-and-round on many issues before: Iraq, the 2006 elections, etc. But part of what makes our party great is the ability to have these discussions, and at the end of the day still recognize that we are on the same side. 


    [ Parent ]
    Won't stand (0.00 / 0)
    Well then have a seat Dave.

    [ Parent ]
    Kyle, (0.00 / 0)
    You asked us to provide reasons to believe Raimondo would be an unacceptable Democratic nominee, and you had every right to ask.  I don't pretend there's anything "noble" about my position, I'm trying only to be honest about what it is and why.

    [ Parent ]
    That worked real good with Kate Witek. (0.00 / 0)
    Jeez Kyle, as long as the money rolls in, everything is fine for you. What about ideals, principles, tradition, and sensitivity to what Nebraska's Democrats stand for? You'd be willing to sell the party out to the highest bidder and call it "opportunity."

    Did you get a call from Ben telling you take this stand or have you just lost complete touch with reality?


    [ Parent ]
    What's Ben got to do with it? (0.00 / 0)
    If we can find a candidate whom Ben Nelson is willing to fully support - who falls in the Nelson mold and could self fund his own race - we should be no more blind to the opportunity than we are aware of the dangers.

    What the ....? What in the world has Ben Nelson's approval, or lack thereof, have to do with who Nebraska's Democrats decide to support? It is becoming more and more clear to me, Kyle, that your loyalty lies more with Sen. Nelson than it does with Nebraska's Democrats, let alone the YDs.


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    No time to wait (0.00 / 0)
    I suppose one COULD theoretically see a Raimondo run as better than no Democrat at all running... although I disagree with the basic premise because I don't think that is going to be the choice we end up having to make anyway. I'm convinced that Kleeb will run if we show him some good spontaneous show of support.

    Plus... and all of you more liberal guys on here know I'm all about expanding the coalition into LESS liberal territory... but this guy isn't just less liberal, from what I've read he's not even a moderate, he's just a conservative straight business type republican. I mean... I am sad to see that the type of moderate who could almost as easily switch parties and be a moderate on the other side of the aisle, are a dying breed, I think they serve an important roll during the hard core partisan fights, but this guy just isn't that at all.

    But lemme tell ya, a guy can reframe his life in the eyes of most people with a few million dollars in a state like ours, so if you want to stop him, put your money where your mouth is and help out Mike and co at DraftKleeb.com. Donate some money, even a dollar just so the doner count goes up, NOW. Sign the petition NOW. Tell all your political friends and relatives NOW. Seriously, stop reading and do it now, cuz I'M scared of this Raimundo guy and if I'm scared you should be terrified.

    "When I look inside and see that I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I look outside and see that I am everything, that is love... and between those two, my life turns." -Nisargadatta Maharaj


    Running Republicans under the Democratic Party banner (0.00 / 0)
    "I suppose one COULD theoretically see a Raimondo run as better than no Democrat at all running... "

    Sol, this summarizes as well as anything how lamentable and pathetic our Nebraska Democratic Party has become.  Our leadership no longer just toadies to DINOs, now they are supporting actual Republicans because they are too incompetent to recruit candidates from their own party.

    What further proof is needed that our ten-year losing streak is attributable to the unacceptable vacuum of principled leadership in the Democratic Party?  We should no longer be criticizing them for refusing to come clean on their financial manipulations or their casual disregard of the Party's Bylaws; perhaps it's time to question their ability to propagandize and chew gum at the same time?


    [ Parent ]
    See... (0.00 / 0)
    I agree with everything you're saying, but you lose the larger appeal when you start going on about bylaws. The lack of leadership by our state party is apparent. Very few people hold the bylaws in high esteem. Many hold being a Democrat that way.

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    Without laws . . . (0.00 / 0)
    Dave,

    Why do we have political parties? Is it not to establish principles by which we then support candidates to represent us in government? Is government not for the purpose of creating laws?

    Why then should our organization not be governed by laws? Are we to place all of our power in the hands of a few and just "trust" that they will do things right? Bylaws exist, supposedly, to ensure that things are run according to Hoyle. Sure, they can be boring, but they are essential to all that we do. Without them, we would be Republicans.


    [ Parent ]
    Hey, I'm not saying... (0.00 / 0)
    That the bylaws are meaningless. I'm just saying your arguments are going to appeal to a lot more people if you talk more about incompetence and less about legalese.

    [ Parent ]
    OK (0.00 / 0)
    I get your point, Dave, and unfortunately I have to agree with you. More Nebraskans can name the offensive and defensive line of the Husker football team, even this year's, than can tell you who represents them in the government that rules every aspect of their lives. They care more about what panties Brittney Spears is, or isn't, wearing than they do about the political process.

    But honestly, I hope that at least those of us who are involved with governing the NDP do care enough about such things as laws and bylaws as to pay attention to them, and see to it that they are adhered to.

    By the same token, I would hope that every Democratic activist in this state would care enough about the health and welfare of our party to ensure that we don't become so focused on winning elections that we lose sight of the dream. If we allow people to represent us that don't share our ideals then we are just political Johns looking for political prostitutes to decorate our ballots.


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    I don't know whats more sad... (0.00 / 0)
    ... the fact that I'd rather watch a C-Span roll call vote, or listen to a NPR special on forclosures, over looking at paparazzi pics of celebrities sans underwear, or that more people know the starting lineup for the 'skers than their state representative.

    "When I look inside and see that I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I look outside and see that I am everything, that is love... and between those two, my life turns." -Nisargadatta Maharaj

    [ Parent ]
    Yup. (0.00 / 1)
    Football . . . the opiate of the masses.

    [ Parent ]
    See...(2) (1.00 / 1)
    "I agree with everything you're saying, but you lose the larger appeal when you start going on about bylaws. The lack of leadership by our state party is apparent. Very few people hold the bylaws in high esteem. Many hold being a Democrat that way."

    Dave, I agree that the fact that they are scofflaws is distant second to the fact that they are woefully incompetent at their roles as leaders.  A political party justifies its existence by winning elections.  If it can't perform that basic function, we are actually better off without it.

    The leaders we have now are succeeding at one thing and one thing only -- destroying the Democratic brand that many of us revere.

    To quote Don Nelson, "They have no standards and they have no shame."


    [ Parent ]
    Lets not forget... (0.00 / 0)
    Why all the hand wringing about Tony? Lets not forget that both Bruning and Johanns are former Democrats running as Republicans.

    Under some of the logic posted in this thread, the NDP should support them because they were Democrats first.

    Again, the NDP is facing having NOBODY run for Senate. I don't see anyone here offering better ideas as far as candidates - not even Don Nelson is offering ideas.


    Strawman... (0.00 / 0)
    Neither Jon Bruning nor Mike Johanns was seeking the nomination of the Democratic Party as recently as two months ago.

    If you don't see us offering better ideas for candidates - well, you're obviously not paying attention.


    [ Parent ]
    distinction without a difference (0.00 / 0)
    Mr. Sund - I'm not picking a fight with you I am just pointing out that having a Repub switch to D is not a bad thing.

    Consider: at one point Mike Nohands and Bruning  were Democrats a month before they switched sides. That is a distinction without a difference in this discussion.

    Many complain about the drop in registration in NE and the high profile party defections (remember all those who switched to vote for Osborne?) In this case you'd have a high profile Repub going the other way. How is that a bad thing?

    A corporate stooge? who was the only GOPer to stand up for Ben Nelson under the withering false attacks from Ricketts? Tony attacked the corporate braintrust behind the attacks and the political leadership that orchestrated it. I don't think that many of those who like to bash Nelson on this blog came to his defense last year. Tony did and risked his political capital to do so.

    Lets look at the entire picture. Sure I'd rather have a Kerrey or a Fahey or a Kleeb run. But what if nobody does? Last time Hagel ran there was token opposition - which gave that voting machine owner the ability to claim the largest margin of victory in the history of NE elective politics. Do we want Johanns to win with 83% too?

    If Tony ran you'd have money and energy for everyone else - who isn't afraid to run with Hillary on the ballot - who gets in.

    Having no standard bearer is a much worse fate.


    [ Parent ]
    Form over substance (4.00 / 1)
    "Having no standard bearer is a much worse fate."

    I'm not saying that it is better run nobody than to run this year's nouveau Democrat.

    What I believe most of us are saying is that we need to make the reforms that are required to avoid constantly being placed in no-win situations.

    The event horizon for an election is not ten months out, it's years out.  Developing candidates and building the infrastructure required to support and elect them is the true job of the state party, and we will continue to lose until that is more widely understood.  The State Party has to be more than a social event or a field office for one candidate.  The State Party needs leaders who have at least a minimal comprehension of what it is they are expected to do.  The ones we have now have literally never even read or understood the Bylaws.

    It's shameful that it is almost 2008 and we are trying to importune some victim into running a race that will probably terminate his political career.

    An intelligently focused organization would be doing strategic planning now for the Governor's race in 2010.  The short-term stuff of organizing a campaign is the job of the candidate, not the State Party.


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    You're making some pretty big assumptions... (0.00 / 0)
    Namely, that labor would help any coordinated campaign given that the campaign would be benefiting a union buster.

    The reasons for Johanns and Bruning switching parties are pretty much the same as the reasons for Raimondo switching parties: political convenience. I would be a hypocrite if I did not decry both. Like I said, being a Democrat has to mean something, otherwise it is just a label, something that can be tossed aside for mere political convenience.

    Look at the entire picture, Duck. If we do this, there is no turning back. You're looking at the short term, and saying that Raimondo getting 32% of the vote is better than having Steve Larrick be the de facto Democrat in this race.

    I'm saying, with a Republican union buster at the top of the ticket, labor will desert us. We'll find it that much more difficult to recruit a candidate for House.

    David Hahn, or any other Democrat with real conviction, would get the exact same vote percentage as Raimondo. If he got the nomination (a pretty big assumption), he would lose the general. The question isn't Raimondo or no one. Someone will always be available. The question is why Raimondo?

    And we can't come up with one good reason why we should support him. That's the standard.


    [ Parent ]
    Labor (0.00 / 0)
    One - I'm not so sure how bad the record really is on labor.  Something that might have happened 25 years ago shouldn't necessarily be a disqualification for something happening today.  Have you spoken to current Behlen workers?  Their perspective would be valuable in this instance.

    Two - You are assuming that labor has been helpful to Democrats in Nebraska in recent years.  They really haven't (see:  endorsements for governor).  Not that Democrats shouldn't support workers, but I wouldn't say that "labor will desert us" given that even in races where they support democrats, their "assistance" has often been token.  If "desertion" is no different from the current status quo, then it's not a big factor, in my mind.


    [ Parent ]
    Dearth of candidates. (0.00 / 0)
    I'll vote for a yellow dog before I'll vote for a Republican. And I'd support a three-legged, half-blind, yellow dog before I'll support anyone in the NDP that wants to run another damned Republican under our banner.

    [ Parent ]
    I don't know (0.00 / 0)
    I lived overseas the entire time that Ed Zorinsky was in office and really don't know that much about the man. If he was a Democrat he got my absentee vote.

    I wasn't all that aware of American politics at that time in my life, especially during the Reagan years. I was ashamed that my country was following such a fool.


    [ Parent ]
    Yeah (0.00 / 0)
    You got Kleeb, maybe.  And if he doesn't work out .... ?

    Something is better than nothing.  Isn't one of the chief complaints about last cycle that there weren't Democratic candidates in several state-wide races? 

    Having a Dem in the race not only improves the odds of us winning from nothing to something, it keeps the Republican nominee busy and makes the Republicans use resources defending the candidate. 

    About a Republican:  Guiliani, McCain and Thompson are all cancer survivors.  But if they were enrolled in the health care plans they've proposed, it unclear if any of them would get coverage.  And since I don't know where Raimondo is on 95% of the issues, I don't know that he wouldn't be an acceptable candidate. 

    http://www.latimes.c...


    He's a Republican... (4.00 / 1)
    He's 100% anti-labor. He's anti-choice (not a deal-breaker in this state, I know, but still...). He's a corporate stooge. Did I mention he's a Republican? Not in the sense that Ben Nelson is, but, you know, a real, actual Republican?

    Are we really that desperate? That we'd run a Republican as our standard-bearer?

    If that's the case, Michael Kelly was right. This party is dead.

    I refuse to believe that. How about you?


    [ Parent ]
    He's not one of us, for sure (4.00 / 1)
    "If that's the case, Michael Kelly was right. This party is dead.

    "I refuse to believe that. How about you?"

    Dave, the Party is not dead, because it can be revived fairly quickly if we start doing the right things instead of perpetuating the policies that have led to ten straight years of utter defeat in state races.  It's the longest losing streak and the steepest registration decline in Nebraska history.
    The remedy is change.  Abandon the losers and get back on the road to winning.

    As Pete Rose said, "I never had a slump I couldn't hit my way out of."


    [ Parent ]
    In my opinion... (4.00 / 1)
    ...if we are to run a Republican for the Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate than the Nebraska Democratic Party is as good as dead to me.

    At that point its time for a full recall.  Where we create our own organization.  Doing away with those that would feed our morals to the dogs of political convience.  (Wow was that dramatic..haha...)

    I've only been active for a short time, but I am sick and tired of a leadership that doesn't want to work for change.

    Nebraska Netroots | A new community blog for Nebraska Democrats!


    [ Parent ]
    Beware what you wish for... (0.00 / 0)
    "At that point it's time for a full recall.  Where we create our own organization.  Doing away with those that would feed our morals to the dogs of political convenience."

    Is a change of direction an unavoidable necessity?  Of course it is.  It's delusional to believe that the present state of affairs is acceptable, where we are debating whether a Republican is a satisfactory standard bearer.

    But attempting a grassroots movement in Nebraska would open the eyes of some of the droids to the reality of whether the Democratic Party is democratic.  Can they handle the truth?



    [ Parent ]
    100%? (0.00 / 0)
    Really?  Based on positions from Project VoteSmart or a scorecard from AFL-CIO? 

    I'm not endorsing anyone, but let's get out of the hyperbole, especially on issues where there has been a fair amount of disinformation in the past.


    Being pragmatic (0.00 / 0)
    Let's be pragmatic. Raimondo would be a political novice taking on an experienced political pro. The last time we saw a well-funded novice run against an comparably funded pro was the 2006 Senate race. Nelson handed Ricketts his bald-headed ass in that one and I wouldn't expect Raimondo to do any better. In fact with the party registration numbers he would probably do worse. What is the upside with Raimondo? I don't see it. Sure Raimondo might throw some money around to Democratic candidates like Ricketts did with the Republicans. But again, what practical interest of his does that serve?

    A suggestion. (0.00 / 0)
    Here's a thought. This could satisfy those who see no wrong in bringing Raimondo, and his big bucks, on board as well as the party partisan hard-liners like myself.

    We could take Tony on as a "born again" Democrat, complete with party registration, let him contribute ten or twenty million to the NDP, then, after four to six years of steeping him in traditional Democratic principles, learning  the ropes as it were, we could run him as a true Democrat.

    I've always been a bit leery of the newly "saved" (like the Hollywood starlet that discovers religion and rehab after crashing her Mercedes into a police cruiser while high on booze and drugs.) I'd give Raimondo, or any other Kate Witek wannabe, a chance after they'd spent some time in purgatory.


    [ Parent ]
    The Joe Higgins Test? (0.00 / 0)
    "You have to be a Democrat for at least a week." Right?

    [ Parent ]
    Longer (0.00 / 0)
    Joe was being sarcastic when he made that statement. I like that in him.

    As I said, four to six years stewing in a good Democratic broth would get him up to speed. A week isn't even long enough to skin him properly.


    [ Parent ]
    hahaha (0.00 / 0)
    I'd enjoy guttin' you... BOY!

    "When I look inside and see that I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I look outside and see that I am everything, that is love... and between those two, my life turns." -Nisargadatta Maharaj

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