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  • The Problem With Ben Nelson's EFCA Opposition: He's Absolutely Right

    by: Kyle Michaelis

    Wed Mar 11, 2009 at 23:07:00 PM CDT


    Yesterday, the Huffington Post was first with the news that Sen. Ben Nelson is opposing the just-introduced Employee Free Choice Act, on which the American labor movement appears to be banking its entire future.  Specifically, they reported:
    Ben Nelson will once again be playing a key role in Senate negotiations over a major legislative drive. The centrist Nebraska Democrat told reporters Tuesday afternoon that he does not currently support the Employee Free Choice Act --- also known as card check -- a bill that would allow workers to choose to unionize either through a secret ballot or by signing cards of support.

    "I'm not in favor of the bill as it -- I haven't seen exactly what was put in, but if what was put in is the same as it's been described, I'm not in support of that," he said.

    Nelson, as he almost always does, left a window open. "But I also believe there'll be a major effort to modify it before it ever comes for consideration, and I'll have to take a look and see what it is then," he said.

    Democrats need 60 votes to invoke cloture to end a Republican filibuster of the measure, meaning that each of the 58 Democratic votes -- 59 if Al Franken is seated -- is crucial.  Nelson was asked by a reporter if he would vote for cloture even if he ended up eventually voting against the bill. But Nelson wouldn't commit to such support.

    "We'll have to see whether there's adequate debate. There are a lot of questions that remain about what the process is long before we have to make a decision about the cloture vote," he said.


    There is a real problem here, and it isn't Ben Nelson's being too conservative.  The problem is that - as written - I can't blame Nelson in the slightest for opposing the EFCA.  In fact, I agree with him.

    It pains me to admit that.  I'm fully aware how important this legislation is and couldn't be more supportive of its underlying goals.  But, frankly, I'm appalled and a little bit dumb-founded that the Democrats introducing the EFCA would again choose to put forward the most extreme version of the bill's controversial "card check" provisions.

    It's perfectly reasonable that labor unions could be certified without a vote by secret ballot.  There's nothing sacred about the current system, especially when it's proven so susceptible to abuse by employers with an arsenal of tactics at their disposal for employee intimidation and union-busting.  But, the idea that a union might be certified upon a show of support from just a bare majority of employees clearly shifts power too far in favor of labor organizers - who are capable of their own forms of coersion even if they're not the ones signing paychecks and threatening closures.

    Nelson discussed one possible compromise with the Lincoln Journal-Star - restricting the delay tactics currently used by employers to buy more time for their union-busting campaigns.  I'd also like to see him suggest that - if "card check" is to be saved - it needs to be amended to require Union endorsement by a supermajority of employees, be it 3/5ths (60%) or even 2/3rds (67%).  A fraction of employees (think 10 or 20%) having the right to counter petition for an election might also be an option so long as the minority is afforded some legal protection.

    Although I can understand a supermajority having the authority to certify a union, a mere 50% of employees should not be able to subject the other 50%-minus-1 to collective bargaining without their having an opportunity to be heard in a free and fair election.  Signed cards simply aren't enough to make such a decision in a workplace that is truly so evenly divided.  No matter how much we might believe in the benefits of collective bargaining, we can not respect worker's rights if we don't respect that workers deserve an honest choice.

    There was a balance to be struck here.  Hopefully, there still is.  But, coming right out of the gate, it's unfortunate and disheartening to see this legislation in a form that would offend the conscience and sensibility of most Nebraskans.  The Chamber of Commerce and major business interests have been very effective in their attacks against the EFCA as a power play by organized labor.  Rather than using this opportunity to silence that criticism by offering the American people a more balanced and reasonable alternative, we've seen a line drawn in the sand right where big business and the Republican Party have wanted it all along.

    Of course, there will be efforts to moderate the EFCA.  I suspect they'll even succeed. But, the danger is, by putting up flawed legislation right from the start, we might end up having to concede more essential ground just to get the legislation passed.  At a time when we should have put our strongest foot forward, we've instead seen labor-backed Democrats take a stand on very weak ground.  Even if an eventual compromise has always been the plan, we won't be seeking compromise from a position of strength and have outright forsaken support from those Americans who have doubts about this sort of legislation - mainly, people in places like Nebraska.

    Kyle Michaelis :: The Problem With Ben Nelson's EFCA Opposition: He's Absolutely Right
    If anything, I'm disappointed that the extreme version of EFCA introduced in Congress actually lets Nelson off the hook, giving him every reason not to support the legislation.  A more reasonable proposal would have demanded a more measured approach.  More importantly, it would have had much more potential to persuade and to win over regular Nebraskans who might be skeptical towards such legislation but who aren't right-wing reactionaries.

    From Greg Sargent, here's a fine illustration of where the current course of polarization has gotten us on the EFCA:

    [B]oth sides are now openly threatening retaliation against Senators who don't vote their way....

    The threat from the labor side came from senior SEIU official Stephen Lerner. Asked on MSNBC if the union would "under any circumstances" forgive a Senator who voted against the measure Lerner said: "If somebody votes against the bill to help rebuild the middle class in this country, that would not be forgivable."

    Meanwhile, United Steelworkers president Leo Gerard, also on MSNBC, said: "If this Democratic majority can`t pass this, then we have to wonder how much we should work for the Democratic majority in the future."

    Business groups ramping up against the measure are now making apparent threats, too. The other day, U.S. Chamber of Commerce chief Tom Donohue told opponents of the bill to take a hard line with members of Congress.

    "On this deal... there's no compromise," said Donohue, whose group has poured huge sums into past Senate campaigns. "There's no credit for amending the bill, the only credit anyone gets is for voting against cloture. Am I clear?"


    Primary challenges have become another popular threat against anyone who might "water down" the EFCA - as if it were perfect and divinely-inspired in its current form.

    Given only the choice of these sorts of extremes, I regret that a majority of Nebraskans probably would side with employers on the EFCA.  Nelson will be representing his constituents - even if not their interests - should he do so as well.

    Right now, the fight for Nelson's vote is entirely for his supporting cloture.  Maybe this never was a bill he was going to support on its merits.  But, how sad is it that I can't even make a good-faith argument on its behalf at this crucial but early stage in the EFCA debate?  

    Alas, we have to do better than this - and expect better from our national Democratic leaders - if we're ever going to win back the voters we need to change Nebraska.

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    Wrong... (0.00 / 0)
    Sorry Kyle, but your analysis of the legislation is a pretty wide stretch in my opinion. You've fallen pray to the right wings constant barrage of false attacks on the Employee Free Choice Act. Here's the facts via Rep. George Miller:

    ...the bill does not eliminate the "secret ballot" election for workers forming a union.  Instead, it gives workers a choice between a National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) election, which ends with a secret ballot, or a process called "majority sign-up," also known as "card check."  Both of these processes already exist.  Under current law, however, the employer, not the employees, effectively decides which process to use.

    That's all the legislation does. The Employee Free Choice Act takes the power away from big business whose interest is to fight against the formation of union and empower the workers to make that crucial decision. Kind of shoots your argument in the foot there.

    It's a good bill. It makes sense and I've yet to hear a reasonable, and factual, argument against it.

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    Garbage (0.00 / 0)
    It's a good bill. It makes sense and I've yet to hear a reasonable, and factual, argument against it.

    For one, I'm sure Kyle recognizes the difference. People try to pull that on me, assuming that I made my decision based on Republican talking points. I think its clear that neither Kyle nor I base our opinions on a Republican Talking Points Memo, and are plenty capable of reading a bill and understanding what it means.

    NEITHER should have the choice to decide the process. A secret ballot should be mandatory, and, like I said in the diary I just wrote, if the union think tank people would spend a fraction of the time they've spent spinning this bill, they'd have found plenty of options as far as creating a system that made it so it would be so costly and risky for employers to try and coerce employees that the playing field would be leveled, both sides would get their chance to speak their mind on the subject and a fair, secret, ballot would be held to decide the way forward.

    Thats the way forward towards more of a equal protection under law, not transferring the balance of power from their favored group to our favored group, which is precisely what this is.


    Good Diary (0.00 / 0)
    I hadn't read your diary when I posted, but I appreciate having the perspective of someone who has actually been in a union.  I recommend it to anyone interested in this issue.  Thanks!

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    you're completely wrong. (0.00 / 0)
    "Thats the way forward towards more of a equal protection under law, not transferring the balance of power from their favored group to our favored group, which is precisely what this is."

    Nope. Managers and owners already have a structure for collective bargaining, it's called a corporation. Why should they have any say whatsoever in how workers decide how to form their own collective bargaining unit? Unions do not have influence over how a corporation is formed or governed. That's not a valid comparison.

    Also, I don't see why it's a problem how, if only 51% of workers want to form a union (via card check) that this somehow violates the rights of the other 49%. Nothing in the EFCA forces the 49% to join the union or agree to a union contract. Not to mention the workers can still hold a secret ballot vote if they want to.  


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    Spin cycle (0.00 / 0)
    The spin cycle continues.

    Managers and owners already have a structure for collective bargaining, it's called a corporation. Why should they have any say whatsoever in how workers decide how to form their own collective bargaining unit? Unions do not have influence over how a corporation is formed or governed. That's not a valid comparison.

    I didn't say the corporation should have any say... people who want a union to be organized should be able to ask a government agency, in secret so the employer can't fire or otherwise pressure them to stop, that they want to put the idea to the workforce. The government agency would then come in, let everyone involved air their opinions on the subject, with the government watching over them to make sure there is no coercion, and handing out MASSIVE fines when that happens. Then it is decided by a secret ballot... aka the ONLY way we know that someone isn't coercing them at the time of the vote.

    Also, I don't see why it's a problem how, if only 51% of workers want to form a union (via card check) that this somehow violates the rights of the other 49%. Nothing in the EFCA forces the 49% to join the union or agree to a union contract. Not to mention the workers can still hold a secret ballot vote if they want to.

    As I said elsewhere, if you think the system should be skewed in favor of union organizers, then we have a philosophical disagreement here. I think that we should set up a system where the system isn't skewed either way. Card check ensures that some union organizers will use coercive tactics, thats just human nature. Democratic principles that are at the core of my beliefs dictate that one should try to level the playing field, not give anyone an advantage, and let the workers vote without any fear of retribution if they vote one way or the other.

    With card check, others will know how they voted... this... is... WRONG. Everyone should automatically be given the chance to vote for or against it with nobody knowing which way they chose to go. Take that part out and this bill sails through to passage.

    And it is my understanding that, once a union is legally formed, all workers are in fact automatically lumped together into the bargaining unit. Am I incorrect?


    [ Parent ]
    How does a secret ballot... (0.00 / 0)
    ensure that workers are not being coerced?  Does a secret ballot keep employers from threatening to shut down if workers vote to organize?  Does it prevent them from threatening an employee with termination or being forced to work undesirable shifts/jobs of they continue to promote unionizing?

    Secret ballots are rare in our democracy.  Congress does not use them.  Juries do not use them.  The Nebraska Democratic party decided we didn't need them to select our Presidential nominee.  So why are they so essential to forming a union?


    [ Parent ]
    cont. (0.00 / 0)
    How does a secret ballot...
    ensure that workers are not being coerced?  Does a secret ballot keep employers from threatening to shut down if workers vote to organize?  Does it prevent them from threatening an employee with termination or being forced to work undesirable shifts/jobs of they continue to promote unionizing?

    Nothing can ensure anything, we live in a country where (rightfully so) proof needs to be presented before someone can be penalized for certain activities, but it can ensure that nobody is being coerced at the time they are voting, which is the most important time. And the penalties and system of monitoring can be racketed up so high that a few instances of attempted coercion by employers, resulting in huge fines (whistleblowing incentives are another good idea), would be a big disincentive. I happen to think the penalties, which are beefed up some, in the current bill are actually lower than I'd like.

    Ultimately, employers have the right to move jobs anywhere, just as workers have the right to mobilize. Moving workplaces is seriously cost prohibitive though, which is one of many leverage points workers who are organizing have against employers.

    Secret voting is not rare in our Democracy. We still use it for all the other races below the President, and many would argue that caucuses are the wrong way to go... and they are elections held within an organization. Not to mention we still use them in the general election and in most orgs I've been in  you can request a secret ballot when voting on something controversial in organizations, boards and whatnot, and I think thats fairly typical.

    Congress doesn't use them because they are there supposedly representing their constituents, who wouldn't know if they were doing so otherwise. I can't comment on juries, I don't understand that process very well.

    Hell, I might be nudged over to the other side of the fence with a proposal that said that if any employees involved requested a secret ballot (even one, and they could do it totally in secret), then they'd get it.  


    [ Parent ]
    Why... (0.00 / 0)
    Nothing can ensure anything, we live in a country where (rightfully so) proof needs to be presented before someone can be penalized for certain activities, but it can ensure that nobody is being coerced at the time they are voting, which is the most important time.

    is the time of voting the most important time?

    Why is it more acceptable to coerce before an election?  WHy is it acceptable to threaten employees with the loss of their jobs if they dare consider unionizing?

    Secret voting is not rare in our Democracy. We still use it for all the other races below the President, and many would argue that caucuses are the wrong way to go... and they are elections held within an organization.

    Congress holds non secret elections every day.  we hold secret ballot elections twice a year, at most.  I'd say that makes them rare.

    Union elections are held within organizations, so why should they be forced to take place by secret ballot?

    Ultimately, the decision on when and how to organize should rest with the workers, not the employer, not the government and certainly not Ben Nelson.  EFCA puts the decision on how to form a union in the hands of employees, where it belongs.


    [ Parent ]
    I understand you're for this, but... what? (0.00 / 0)
    is the time of voting the most important time?

    Why is it more acceptable to coerce before an election?  WHy is it acceptable to threaten employees with the loss of their jobs if they dare consider unionizing?

    Yes, voting time is the most important... need I really go into why that is?

    And when exactly did I say that is is acceptable AT ALL to coerce? I don't think its okay for a company to threaten loss of jobs if they unionize, actually I think thats illegal (could be wrong there...). I'm fairly certain I didn't, and if I seemed to that wasn't my intention.

    If a company goes to their employees and tells them that rising labor costs might result in them moving the company to a place where they can save money to keep afloat, that may suck, but thats the double edged sword of freedom. You can't force a company to stay where it doesn't want to be any more than you should be able to stop a group of workers from forming a union if they truly want to. I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that you don't think that a union should have the power to tell a company to keep a factory open even when they don't have people buying their product?

    And you obviously missed this, so here... I'll say it again:

    We still use it for all the other races below the President, and many would argue that caucuses are the wrong way to go... and they are elections held within an organization. Not to mention we still use them in the general election and in most orgs I've been in  you can request a secret ballot when voting on something controversial in organizations, boards and whatnot, and I think thats fairly typical.

    Congress doesn't use them because they are there supposedly representing their constituents, who wouldn't know if they were doing so otherwise. I can't comment on juries, I don't understand that process very well.

    When nobody wants a secret ballot, then who cares. But when you have an important vote where people request to be able to vote in secret, then they should have the right to. I don't care if its the employer or employees.

    Nobody... and I mean nobody (I've asked this question on all the major liberal blogs)...has an answer to why card check is BETTER than the secret ballot. Like I've mentioned before, this is a philosophical difference that neither side wishes to really address. The Right just want to paint it as evil in general, and the Left only will talk about how it will benefit certain groups... plainly saying that the ends justify the means. I believe the means in this case are undefensable. You can think otherwise, but thats what this debate boils down to.


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    Yes (0.00 / 0)
    Yes, voting time is the most important... need I really go into why that is?

    You do.  

    I do want to thank you for this:

    If a company goes to their employees and tells them that rising labor costs might result in them moving the company to a place where they can save money to keep afloat, that may suck, but thats the double edged sword of freedom. You can't force a company to stay where it doesn't want to be any more than you should be able to stop a group of workers from forming a union if they truly want to.

    I wonder how many of the anti-EFCA people here would agree that such a threat is not coercive.

    Card check may or may not be better than secret ballots, but it gives the employee the choice.  You may feel that you know better, but the decision is not yours to make.


    [ Parent ]
    Alrighty (0.00 / 0)
    Feel free to imagine me saying this part in the voice you use with a small child when you're trying to explain something exceedingly simple:

    Voting is the most important... because its the vote that determines whether a union actually becomes a reality or not.

    I wonder how many of the anti-EFCA people here would agree that such a threat is not coercive.

    So... would you like employers to not be able to say anything at all, or just a few nice things that you approve for them? In other words, what level of censorship would you like to impose upon people? Notice I made the distinction between a company saying they'll close if employees organize and they might move or close if labor costs go up too much. Thats reality man, if you can't deal with it its not my fault.

    Card check may or may not be better than secret ballots, but it gives the employee the choice.  You may feel that you know better, but the decision is not yours to make.

    The current system gives the employee the ultimate choice (otherwise known as, you know, the most important thing in this), with the employer getting the choice of what method the vote is done with and not being tough enough on monitering the process for coercion. The EFCA proposes a system that still isn't tough enough on monitering, where the employee still has the ultimate choice, but where not only can someone actually watch you fill out the card, but they can see which way you actually voted. So instead of trying to find ways of ending coercion, you ADD MORE avenues for people to do so.

    Its a cartoonish example of a plan so out of touch with reality that it not only doesn't fix the original problem, but it puts window dressing on it, while adding more avenues that can be used to make the situation even worse.

    In one fell swoop you'll lose some moderates and alot of independents, you give the Republicans a talking point that will actually resonate with alot of people and it looks like you're going to hand Obama his first legislative loss unless the bill is seriously modified. I'm not sure Karl Rove could have designed something that is a losing idea on so many levels, congratulations.


    [ Parent ]
    You still haven't explained... (0.00 / 0)
    why coercion at the time of voting is any worse than coercion prior to voting.  Both are just as likely to swing the outcome. Of course, given what you seem to think qualifies as coercion, it's not surprising you make such an irrelevant distinction.

    The proper course of action for an employer would be to allow a union vote to go on unfettered and then negotiate with the union, if need be, for the benefit of both the workers and the company.  Unions do not want employers moving or going out of business.  No employers = no employees.  No employees = no unions. Referring to attempts to prevent employers from threatening employees as "censorship" is moronic.  Would it be censorship to try to prevent a union boss from saying "check this card or I break your arm."

    Your going to need to help me out with this one as your argument has decayed from the ridiculous to the nonsensical.

    The current system gives the employee the ultimate choice (otherwise known as, you know, the most important thing in this), with the employer getting the choice of what method the vote is done with and not being tough enough on monitering the process for coercion. The EFCA proposes a system that still isn't tough enough on monitering, where the employee still has the ultimate choice, but where not only can someone actually watch you fill out the card, but they can see which way you actually voted. So instead of trying to find ways of ending coercion, you ADD MORE avenues for people to do so.

    So, how does the employer getting the choice give the employee the ultimate choice?  Under our current system, the employee has the choice of doing things the way the employer wants them done.  

    As for losing moderates and independents, In 2007 when this bill came up for vote in the House, 13 Republicans voted for it while only two Democrats voted against it.  During a cloture vote in the Senate, All voting Democrats voted in favor of cloture with Republican Arlen Specter and independents Joe Liebermann and Bernie Sanders joining in.  I think we'll do just fine with moderates and independents.



    [ Parent ]
    cont. (0.00 / 0)
    You still haven't explained
    why coercion at the time of voting is any worse than coercion prior to voting.  Both are just as likely to swing the outcome. Of course, given what you seem to think qualifies as coercion, it's not surprising you make such an irrelevant distinction.

    How dense could you possibly be? I haven't explained why because I never said that was the case in the first place. I've said all along that the system should be built to attempt to block ANY kind of potential coercion. Can I make myself any more clear somehow?

    So, how does the employer getting the choice give the employee the ultimate choice?  Under our current system, the employee has the choice of doing things the way the employer wants them done.

    Both the current system gives the worker the ultimate choice, the vote, but the secret ballot ensures that coercion cannot be made at the moment of voting. The EFCA ADDS an avenue for coercion, and doesn't even fix the problems that the current system has, just essentially makes the penalties higher.

    A halfway decent bill would go much farther on monitoring from the point where the process is requested by workers (which should be able to be requested in secret, so employers cannot fire people before the government comes in), the fines for coercion, no matter from where it comes from, should be astronomical and both employers and union organizers should be able to make their case, with no ridiculous mandatory pizza parties or organized peer pressuring.

    Speaking of moderates and independents, I was referring to voters. I've seen polls that went wildly in both directions, but I'm not convinced either way on that until I see a good big poll done by Gallup or something of that nature. And those senators voted for the bill when it was easy for them to do so. When push has come to shove, we can see what they really think now.


    [ Parent ]
    I asked you... (0.00 / 0)
    How does a secret ballot ensure that workers are not being coerced?

    and you responded:

    Nothing can ensure anything, we live in a country where (rightfully so) proof needs to be presented before someone can be penalized for certain activities, but it can ensure that nobody is being coerced at the time they are voting, which is the most important time.
     

    I don't agree the basic argument that secret ballots ensure nobody is being coerced at the time of voting.  If Tom, Dick and Harry are fired for trying to organize their shop, they are being coerced by not being allowed to vote.  Other workers in the shop are being coerced at the time of the vote because they know coworkers have already been fired for trying to form a union.


    [ Parent ]
    union organizer coercision (0.00 / 0)
    No, i want the system to be skewed in favor of allowing employees to choose--and card check  is the easiest way to do that.

    For everyone who's paranoid about vile organizers coercing employees to vote for a union, could you please post a URL to at least one newspaper story that reports that this has actually ever happened anywhere? This whole argument sounds like the ultimate management boogeyman.


    [ Parent ]
    I WAS (0.00 / 0)
    I was peer pressured by union people at my work, and that was just to become an active member. Its human nature for people to do that kind of thing, its not unique to union organizers. If the system allows for it, which this does, it will happen. If you don't think it will you're seriously naive.

    [ Parent ]
    Come on Solomon... (0.00 / 0)
    Are you really suggesting that workers should be limited in the way they form unions because they might be subjected to peer pressure?  Peer pressure causes people to do a lot of crazy things, but they do them because they want to be part of something. It is not coercion.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm sick of your moronic crap. (0.00 / 0)
    Are you really suggesting that workers should be limited in the way they form unions because they might be subjected to peer pressure?  Peer pressure causes people to do a lot of crazy things, but they do them because they want to be part of something. It is not coercion.

    I'm suggesting that the law should do all it can to limit ANY kind of coercion, from ANY source. You are suggesting that its okay to leave open avenues of coercion by the employers, because the EFCA doesn't close them, AND make it so someone can not only peer pressure someone during social interaction, which no law can stop, but they can actually watch them vote and know how they voted.

    You can try to spin what I'm saying however you want, but I've been consistent in saying that I think that I think that the EFCA not only doesn't go far enough in monitoring and penalties, but also that I think that a secret ballot should be mandatory and automatic, not that ANYONE should have the choice to go around it. YOU keep giving excuses to open up avenues for union organizers to peer pressure, coerce, call it whatever helps you sleep at night. I've even said that I don't care if they lower the limit to 10% needed to get the process started, down from 30%, and that government monitoring should be MUCH more extensive.

    While were on the subject, how about you just change the card check rule so the ballots are delivered to the workers home, sealed and sent to the government, or hell... union organizers can hand them the ballot, but they get privacy when they vote and the ballot is sealed so nobody sees how any individual voted. This is simple stuff, there are probably dozens of ways you could make it so the voting is private... its not a choice between the current system and EFCA only, which looks like it aint gonna pass without a modification like this anyway.

    Law is SUPPOSED to create a system so that opposing parties are equal under it. The law should not leave open current avenues of coercion, which the EFCA does, and it should not open up more avenues of coercion, which the EFCA does. The additional penalties regarding those are window dressing that wont fix the issue. The whole problem is monitoring... you can increase the punishments into the stratosphere, but if you don't have someone watching the situation like a hawk, then who's ever going to catch them?!?

    Peer pressure is going to go on in a number of ways, but people should be able to keep their damn vote to themselves. I honestly can't %&^%*ing believe that people have actually argued that the secret ballot isn't important. How you can call yourself a supporter of Democracy while doing that is seriously beyond the pale.

    I don't agree the basic argument that secret ballots ensure nobody is being coerced at the time of voting.  If Tom, Dick and Harry are fired for trying to organize their shop, they are being coerced by not being allowed to vote.  Other workers in the shop are being coerced at the time of the vote because they know coworkers have already been fired for trying to form a union.

    Point out where I said it would be okay for Tom, Dick and Harry to be fired. Only extensive monitoring will fix that, which the EFCA doesn't do... strike one for the EFCA.

    Does it prevent them from threatening an employee with termination or being forced to work undesirable shifts/jobs of they continue to promote unionizing?

    Good question... that you asked... and the EFCA doesn't do it any more than current law does. Just adds a bigger penalty for doing it... if they get caught. Which of course they wont any more than they do now because that hasn't been changed. Strike two. MY suggestions could get closer to fixing these fears you have, the EFCA doesn't fix them.

    lp2k has some good suggestions as well that would equal a bill that would pass, would solve more of the problems with current law and wouldn't cause further uneven playing field type problems.

    Problem One: Companies use NLRB procedures to delay union elections.

    Solution: Make card check a cloture vote.  If 50 percent plus one sign up, you have a secret ballot election within 30 days.

    Problem Two: Companies fire employees they perceive to be pro-union to discourage participation and to reduce the number of employees voting for a union in an election.

    Solution: A shortened period prior to the election helps because it gives employers less time to find a pretense to fire a pro-union worker.  But that's not enough.  I support EFCA's triple back-pay and civil fines provisions as a deterrent to this behavior.  I also think it might be reasonable to say that an employee fired in the 30 days between the card check and the secret ballot election can still cast a provisional ballot subject to a successful claim that he or she was discharged for engaging in union activity.

    Problem Three: Companies force workers to listen to anti-union propaganda.  Some companies also make illegal threats.

    Solution: Equal time and accountability.  If the employer wants to hold a 30 minute meeting with all employees on why the employer is against a union, fine.  The union organizers also get 30 minutes of company time.  It might also be desirable to give union organizers the right to be present in any meetings in which management discusses the union with an employee and the right to record such conversations or presentations.

    And we're just a couple of people thinking about this a bit in our free time. As I've said before... if the union 'thinkers' would spend a fraction of the time they have been on spinning this bill, they could have come up with a much better bill that would have already passed, would have solved more of the problems that are in the current system, and wouldn't have brought up this fire storm... that looks like its going to only get bigger and will lead to the union movement losing even more face that it already has in the last generation.

    You're playing right into the other side's hand right now.  


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    EFCA Doesn't Solve the Problem (0.00 / 0)
    Kyle,

    Thank you for this column. (Mike - I'll try to give you what you have been missing.)  I've been uncomfortable with the card-check provision of EFCA for a while now and have been disappointed that I have not seen more discussion of alternative reforms to the union election process.  

    To be sure, the current process for forming a union is broken.  The balance of power in union organizing campaigns is heavily tilted in favor of management.  First, companies can stall the NLRB and put off an election for months or even years.  Second, companies frequently find pretenses to fire pro-union workers prior to the election.  This discourages participation and affects the outcome of the vote.  Third, companies can require employees to attend meetings on company time.  Managers can legally use these meetings, with groups or one-on-one to show anti-films and distribute anti-union literature.  It would not be a stretch to assume that in some instances managers illegally use these meetings to threaten employees with losing their jobs if a union is formed.

    However, EFCA's card check provision is not the answer.  I think some EFCA supporters only examine the issue at a very superficial level (e.g. unions are good, so anything that will increase union membership is good).  In reality, both managers and union organizers are human beings.  Human beings are capable of using intimidation and fear to get what they want.  I fear a card check system would open the door to intimidation from organizers as well as management.  What stops a group of pro-union employees from engaging in harassment and intimidation to gain another worker's signature?  A major problem I have with EFCA is that it doesn't address the unfair behavior of managers and companies that is causing the problem in the first place - there is a better solution out there.

    I propose the following to address what I see as the heart of the problem.

    Problem One: Companies use NLRB procedures to delay union elections.

    Solution: Make card check a cloture vote.  If 50 percent plus one sign up, you have a secret ballot election within 30 days.

    Problem Two: Companies fire employees they perceive to be pro-union to discourage participation and to reduce the number of employees voting for a union in an election.

    Solution: A shortened period prior to the election helps because it gives employers less time to find a pretense to fire a pro-union worker.  But that's not enough.  I support EFCA's triple back-pay and civil fines provisions as a deterrent to this behavior.  I also think it might be reasonable to say that an employee fired in the 30 days between the card check and the secret ballot election can still cast a provisional ballot subject to a successful claim that he or she was discharged for engaging in union activity.

    Problem Three: Companies force workers to listen to anti-union propaganda.  Some companies also make illegal threats.

    Solution: Equal time and accountability.  If the employer wants to hold a 30 minute meeting with all employees on why the employer is against a union, fine.  The union organizers also get 30 minutes of company time.  It might also be desirable to give union organizers the right to be present in any meetings in which management discusses the union with an employee and the right to record such conversations or presentations.

    I see no problem with the arbitration provision of EFCA.

    Happy to hear the thoughts of anyone else on the issue.  My mind isn't made up 100 percent against EFCA, but I think the legislation as written doesn't solve the problem of unfair management behavior.  Instead, it just opens the door to intimidation and harassment by employees seeking to have other employees sign the card.

    I think there is a better solution out there.  But labor sees an opportunity to get everything it wants and the business community isn't even willing to admit there is a problem.  I hope Senator Nelson can help craft a reasonable solution to the problem.


    This sums it up very well (0.00 / 0)
    I think there is a better solution out there.  But labor sees an opportunity to get everything it wants and the business community isn't even willing to admit there is a problem.  I hope Senator Nelson can help craft a reasonable solution to the problem.

    Well said.


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    invitation to attend Employee Free Choice meeting (0.00 / 0)
    Hi guys--as many of you know we (SEIU Change That Works) are working on this bill (and healthcare reform) this year in our state.

    We invite you to attend a meeting to discuss the Employee Free Choice Act.

    There is some misinformation here and we would love an opportunity to talk to everyone who would like to learn more and discuss how we can all help pass this bill that will help working families.

    Watch our facebook page for the exact details, we are planning the meeting and will post the details here--it will be sometime the week of March 23rd.

    http://www.facebook.com/group....  


    Why not... (0.00 / 0)
    ...add to these discussions so we can know what the misinformation is?

    I'd be more than willing to find out if anything I have said is wrong.

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    Great discussion (4.00 / 1)
    Hi! I'm Raf Noboa, regional new media director for SEIU Change that Works. I've been reading the back and forth over the last day or so about this issue, and I'd like to briefly weigh in.

    We're essentially arguing over who gets to make the decision as to which method is used to allow a union to represent a company's workers.

    Both methods currently exist in the law -- over the last five years, over half-a-million workers have used a majority signup to unionize such venerable American companies as Kaiser Permanente, AT&T and Harley-Davidson. The difference is that those three companies allowed the workers to use that method; all that the Employee Free Choice Act would do is put that choice in the employees' hands, not in the employers.

    As for union "coercion", an analysis of what, under current federal law, would be considered "union intimidation" occurs less than 5% of the time. Compare that to acts of corporate intimidation, which a clear reading of the historical & legal record show occur more than 50% of the time.

    I'm looking forward to following the discussion here, and answering any questions you may have, both here and offline.

    All the best,

    Raf


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    And you're okay with 5%? (0.00 / 0)
    I'm not okay with 1%, much less 5% or 50%. There is a chance right now to work towards a system that attempts to eliminate all forms of coercion. You guys know this is the case, and you're making a pass on that because you're trying to gain the upper hand because unions are on a long slide towards eventual irrelevancy if you don't get your numbers up. Thats your prerogative and many people on here think that the ends justify the means here... I think that is patently wrong.

    [ Parent ]
    Look... (0.00 / 0)
    ...it's simple human nature. There are plenty of people in our society that are going to break the rules and laws that the vast majority of us live by. I'm actually surprised and impressed the number is as low as 5%. Part of the Employee Free Choice Act is increasing penalties for those that part in coercion on both sides -- union and corporate.

    EFCA is the right move. I agree with you that future reforms are necessary in the process. However, I think as long as their is a choice, it should fall to the workers and not to corporations who have a much higher right of intimidation.

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    [ Parent ]
    The Truth About Union Coercion (0.00 / 0)
    Opponents of giving workers the freedom to choose a union through a simple process that recognizes the will of the majority allege it will open workers to coercion by unions.  

    But majority sign-up is not new or untested.  It has been legal since the National Labor Relations Act was enacted in 1935, and millions of workers have formed unions by signing union authorization cards under a majority sign-up procedure.  So what does the record show?

       * A study by the HR Policy Association identified 113 cases since the inception of the National Labor Relations Act as involving fraud and coercion in connection with card collection; upon review, however, only 42 of those cases actually found misconduct in the signing of union authorization cards - since 1935.  That's less than one case every two years.

       * In fact, it is employers that hold the power over workers - the power to hire and fire and determine wages and promotions.  That's the power that can lead to coercion.  And it is corporations that have the record of intimidating workers.  

       * In 2007 alone, there were 29,559 instances of illegal firings and other employer discrimination against workers for exercising their federally protected labor law rights, according to the National Labor Relations Board.

       * According to annual reports from the NLRB, the number of employer violations in 2006 was 26,824; in 2005, it was 31,358; in 2004, it was 30,784; and in 2003, it was 23,144.  


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