NRSC Preparing To Attack Kerrey's Educational Work?

Well, (0.00 / 0)

that doesn't suprise anyone does it?

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by: Mike Nellis @ Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 09:49:00 AM CDT

Nobody has ever retired from government to become a university administrator before. (0.00 / 0)

Mike Johanns left in the middle of a job that Nebraskans elected him to do to take a B-level cabinet post. He has moved his family to DC to take that job. So the only difference between him and Kerrey is that Johanns job is a government one? Do they realize that Kerrey has stayed active with his public service (i.e. 9/11 commission). At least Kerrey finished his term before moving on.

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by: Eric @ Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 10:45:16 AM CDT

Running scared (0.00 / 0)

They must be freaking out to prepare attacks so early.  No surprise.  The waves of panic coming off NE Republicans these days can be seen from space (maybe that's why Heineman was called by an astronaut?)

Another sign - the ravings of "street sweeper" over at Leavenworth, desperate to make Kerrey out to be some dirty hippie.  An odd charaterization for a Medal of Honor winner and Navy Seal.

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by: ColumbiaDuck @ Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 12:45:32 PM CDT

Residency issues (0.00 / 0)

1) Kerrey moving to NY to run a school (certainly more than a hint of public service) is not too different from Johanns leaving Nebraska to serve as Ag Sec.  This passage from the LJS story caught my eye:

Johanns and his wife, Stephanie, went house-hunting over the weekend when he was in Lincoln to attend a Saturday event at which he was honored by the Nebraska Republican Party.

If Johanns hadn't sold his house, why would he need to go house hunting.

2) If he did sell his house and move out of state and officially take up residence elsewhere, wouldn't he need to have changed his voter registration?  Did this occur?  Would that be unlawful?  Worth looking into, especially if the NRSC will weakly attack Kerrey for his residency.

Check out the Guru's blog at http://senate2008guru.blogspot.com/

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by: Senate 2008 Guru @ Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 18:03:24 PM CDT

People in glass houses . . . (0.00 / 1)

As I noted on the NDP blog . . . this is something that our own Nebraska Democratic Party has done in the past. If we choose to cast aspersions on the Republicans, we must be sure our own house is in order.

Here's a link to an interesting article concerning this topic, penned by your own Kyle Michaelis, from 2005: http://newnebraska.b...

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by: BTOz @ Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 19:06:58 PM CDT

One has nothing to do with the other..... (4.00 / 1)

The article you quoted, Brian, deals with buying up websites of the candidate's names. This article deals with speculation on what is most likely going to be the topic of this particular Kerrey website (ran by the NRSC). They've got a popular governor/senator from Nebraska, who's a highly decorated war hero and so respected for his expertice that he was named to the 9/11 Commission. What have they got to attack? That he's somehow suddenly become an "east coast liberal" who ran a "liberal" university. To put it another way, they've got nothin', and they know it.

Now look at Johann's. Nowhere near the experience Kerrey has. And if we can get this Senate position filled by an instant "Senior", just think the influence our two respected and experienced Senators would have. Nebraska would be VERY well represented!

So expect this to be dirty from the get go if he officially announces he's running.

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by: Lisa Hannah @ Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 20:27:28 PM CDT

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New School (0.00 / 0)

Although The New School does have a liberal reputation, any attacks on Kerrey based on that reputation will be laughed away, considering Kerrey's high-profile clashes with students and faculty over his views on Iraq and his decision to invite Senator John McCain to speak at commencement.

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by: newatch @ Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 21:32:38 PM CDT

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Oh, but it does . . . (0.00 / 1)

Now why in the world do you suppose Heath Mello purchased those URLs? Do you think he intended to heap accolades on the Republicans?

So far, nothing has been done with the website URL purchased by the NRSC and all the hoopla is speculative. Let's stick to the facts.

It is what it is. I don't like it that they are doing this sort of thing any more than you do, and I fully expect the reason they are doing it is for no good end. I don't condone it. I just wish that before we accuse Republicans of dirty deeds, we hadn't done the same thing previously.

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by: BTOz @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 09:35:58 AM CDT

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If there's one thing I won't tolerate... (0.00 / 0)

It's personal attacks against two good friends of mine. Do you have any evidence to back up your claims? Of course not, you never do. Think of yourself as the lone voice in the wilderness if you want, Brian, but you'll only find yourself isolated.

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by: Dave Sund @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 11:30:37 AM CDT

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What are you talking about? (0.00 / 0)

Which two good friends of yours are you talking about Dave? Before I respond, I need to know what you are accusing me of.

I generally check the facts before I post things on the web. If all your animosity towards me is because of some perceived "personal attack" that I have made against your friends, then I will ask you to provide the evidence. And please, tell me which claims I have made that I have not provided the evidence for? I sustain that you are wrong.

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by: BTOz @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 12:40:57 PM CDT

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Stating... (0.00 / 0)

That Ryan and Heath obviously purchased those domain names with the intention of making an attack website. Where's your evidence for that claim? Since the election has already passed and the sites were not used, you are creating a false equivalency, preaching about a non-story, and generally raising a fuss that will only serve to give the Republicans a weapon to use against us.

If you want to continue this discussion, you can e-mail me, but I'd prefer not to drag any more of this onto the website.

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by: Dave Sund @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 13:09:27 PM CDT

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Don't hide (0.00 / 0)

Dave,

You accused me of something in the light of day, now stand and take my response in the light of day.

Ryan? Who's Ryan? Now Heath I know had something to do with that. In fact it was reported right here on the NNN. What other possible purpose could there have been for them to buy up those URLs if not for the sake of "dirty politics?"

To date, the URL registered by the Republicans has been used for nothing. All the accusations that you, and others, are making is all supposition. That in itself is a form of "dirty politics."

I don't like any of it. I don't like it when the Republicans do it, I don't like it when the Democrats do it, and I damned sure don't like it when the Democrats point their fingers at the Republicans for doing the same thing they already have done. That is my point.

We are Nebraska Democrats. We have to be better.

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by: BTOz @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 13:19:19 PM CDT

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I'll discuss this... (0.00 / 0)

particular issue (and since you don't seem to know the names, you clearly didn't read the article you are basing your accusations on) on the site. Anything beyond that, you can e-mail me if you want a further explanation.

http://www.dontmarkw...

That name is registered to the NRSC, it was an attack website put up within hours of Mark Warner's announcement. Bob Kerrey hasn't announced anything yet. The moment he does, the NRSC will go on the attack. And if you don't believe that, you are clearly more naive than I've given you credit for.

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by: Dave Sund @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 13:29:52 PM CDT

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Who's naive? (0.00 / 2)

So you are all ready to attack the Republicans because they look like they might do something you don't like. Well, your friends Ryan and Heath (sorry, never met Ryan so his name didn't stick - so you don't need to make lame accusations about me not reading the article) probably looked like they might do something when they registered those URLs, don't you think?

I think you should wait until the NRSC actually does something before you start running around with your tail on fire.

And kid, you'd better take another couple laps around the block before you call this old goat naive again.

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by: BTOz @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 13:54:03 PM CDT

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Old goat (4.00 / 1)

Brian has a long history of assuming the worst of good Democrats.  As Eric states below, there is a world of difference between registering a domain so that someone else can't have it and creating an entire website specifically for the purposes of attacking another candidate...especially when it's the national Republican Party gearing up to launch the assault, telling us that Bob Kerrey isn't "Nebraskan" enough.

These two situations are not comparable.  The "Cat in the Hat" attack on Ricketts last summer would be a far better comparison - which I wrote against at the time and which hopefully taught Nebraska Democrats a lesson.

It's not right to call Brian naive.  Based on his record and his reputation, that's giving him far too much credit.

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by: Kyle Michaelis @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 14:30:58 PM CDT

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Kyle has spoken! (0.00 / 0)

No Kyle, I have a long history of expecting the best of all Democrats. I have yet to see anything done with that URL that you are all in a huff about, so all you are dealing with is conjecture, not reality.

The two situations, at this point, are equal. As a third year law student, you should know that.

I thought you might demonstrate a bit more maturity than you have with your personal attack against me. Grow up.

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by: BTOz @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 14:39:59 PM CDT

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For the record..... (4.00 / 1)

I did not write the post to which you referred.  The only thing I'm in "a huff" about is you using NNN to perpetuate your petty and destructive crusades.

You talk about holding Nebraska Democrats to a higher standard, yet you make baseless accusations and leap at every opportunity to attack other Democrats.  Your hypocrisy astounds and disgusts.

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by: Kyle Michaelis @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 14:50:23 PM CDT

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Baseless? (0.00 / 0)

Kyle,

You and I have gone round and round about my "baseless" accusations. I have shown you where the evidence is, you refuse to go look at it. What else can I say?

I don't think you know the meaning of the word "hypocrisy."

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by: BTOz @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 14:55:07 PM CDT

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I'm not even going to go down that road... (0.00 / 0)

with you Brian. And I know Kyle's not taking the bait, either. Back to the subject at hand, have you visited the website in question?

http://bigapplebobke...

Paid for by the NRSC.

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by: Dave Sund @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 15:01:48 PM CDT

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Of course I have. (0.00 / 0)

I really don't want to bring up those "other issues" on this site. But if Kyle wants them in the open, he can let the cat out of the bag. It's his website.

Listen, all I am saying is that you guys are running around with your tails on fire because you think someone MIGHT, maybe, possibly, do something. Up until now they have only done what we are guilty of.

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by: BTOz @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 15:06:42 PM CDT

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Silly (0.00 / 0)

This argument is silly of course, but the very name is an attack - "bigapplebobkerrey".  that's a far cry from just buying some names.  It's an insulting URL for what will undoubtably be an insulting website.  But please, make more excuses for those you claim to oppose.

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by: ColumbiaDuck @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 13:54:08 PM CDT

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Who is silly? (0.00 / 0)

Because I'm not having a conniption fit over some silly little inconsequential website you think I don't support Democrats?

Maybe we should call the FBI, FCC, the ASPCA! Oh My God! Those nasty Republicans have registered a URL! Oh God! The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

There, now do you feel better?

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by: BTOz @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 14:59:43 PM CDT

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The issue is not the registration of the domain it is the content surely coming (0.00 / 0)

My guess, and this is totally conjecture, is that by registering a domain name your goal is one of two things:

1. You're trying to prevent that candidate from taking up the electronic real estate and thus making it more difficult for him to get his message out.


2. You're trying to make some money by either selling that domain to a person of that name or by running ads on it since it will likely get some traffic because of the person's publicity. If you need evidence of this, try going to RomneyHuckabee.com or ClintonBiden.com. Heck, go see what's at nebraskademocrats.com.

I don't think registering a name like that necessarily means you're going to launch a negative attack web site. However, registering "BigAppleBobKerrey.com", you're giving away your planned attack right in the title. No one else, especially Bob Kerrey, would have any other reason to register that name.

But, it's still fair game. I don't think anyone is saying the NRSC doesn't have the right to the domain, they're saying that the likely attack site (which is backed up by other similar ones) is distasteful.

The web addresses for my name are all taken. Am I going to cry about it if I wish I had it to run for office? No.

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by: Eric @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 13:36:01 PM CDT

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Hmmmm? (0.00 / 0)

You said in another diary here that I had made "personal" attacks against "two" of your good friends. I see where I did use Heath's name, I see no evidence of the other.

Get your facts straight Dave.

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by: BTOz @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 20:13:12 PM CDT

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Sometimes I wonder... (0.00 / 0)

Brian, whose side you're on. As Lisa rightly points out, your comparison doesn't hold any water.

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by: Dave Sund @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 00:11:55 AM CDT

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Holding water (0.00 / 0)

No water, Dave, just truth.

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by: BTOz @ Thu Sep 20, 2007 at 09:37:16 AM CDT

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two things (4.00 / 1)

from my view -
the existence of the NRSC website is troubling for a couple of reasons. it indicates they are preparing to engage in NE and in a highly negative way. Remember, the NRSC left Pete Ricketts swinging in the wind. Johanns comes with no money. The NRSC will pay for his campaign and he will be our own DC based "kept" senator. Second - anyone notice that they set up a website to attack New York on 9/11? Very strange.

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by: bruin606 @ Wed Sep 19, 2007 at 22:00:19 PM CDT

You're argument is silly (0.00 / 0)

The website URL is an advertisement for mischieve.  Why is it that you are constantly more interested in unconstructively criticizing Democrats than anything else - let alone go after Republicans?

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by: ColumbiaDuck @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 16:58:33 PM CDT

Just as silly as noises you make. (0.00 / 0)

Mischief. Oh my God!! Call the National Guard!! The Republicans are up to mischief!!

Good grief, we've got a wannabe fascist dictator sitting in the Oval office and all you want to do is argue over some fools that are up to mischief!! If Bob Kerrey can't handle a little mischief, then perhaps he's not the man for the job. Personally, I believe its net effect on him will be a big fat goose egg, and y'all are brewing up a tempest in a teapot.

You still haven't gotten it. My aim was to point out just how foolish all the noise about this non-incident really is.

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by: BTOz @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 18:06:52 PM CDT

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Mountains Out of Mole Hills (0.00 / 0)

Brian Osborn accusing anyone of making too big a deal of a situation is certainly one of the greatest ironies yet witnessed in NNNs short history.

Tempest in a teapot - couldn't have said it better myself.  There is your handle.  There is your spout.

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by: Kyle Michaelis @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 18:40:24 PM CDT

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You're a funny guy Kyle. (0.00 / 0)

OK, Kyle. Would you like to explain to all your millions and millions of readers just what it is about me that gets you so perturbed? Go ahead, tell them why you say the things about me that you do. Let's get it out in the open and clear the air once and for all.

I don't think you have the courage.

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by: BTOz @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 19:07:22 PM CDT

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I'm not perturbed in the slightest (0.00 / 0)

Go ahead and publish whatever you please.  I couldn't care less.  I only lack the courage to waste my readers time with such inane triviality and unproven accusations.

I have no reason to be scared of you, Brian.  I have nothing at stake in your silly little crusade about which you refuse to take a hint.  You're not a threat.  You're an annoyance.  And more and more - with each passing day - you're really just becoming a joke.

Rant away.

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by: Kyle Michaelis @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 20:40:21 PM CDT

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You're so sweet. (0.00 / 0)

Kyle, your true character is beginning to show. I'm glad to see you're finally showing your good readers what a fine, upstanding young man you really are.

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by: BTOz @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 21:08:36 PM CDT

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Boys..... (0.00 / 0)

Can't we all just get along and stop the **** wagging?

(This is me trying to lighten the tone....and I suck at it). 

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by: Lisa Hannah @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 20:21:48 PM CDT

Hi Lisa. (0.00 / 0)

It was nice finally meeting you last evening in Grand Island at the Hall County Democrats' dinner. As I told you then, I can be a nice guy . . . most of the time. But I have this nasty habit of defending myself when attacked.

Judy Vohland implored me to be nicer in the future. I'll try to be, but I'm not going to back down when someone tosses crap at me as some here have done.

Keep up the good work holding Adrian's feet to the fire.

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by: BTOz @ Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 20:34:07 PM CDT

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