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  • Terry Claim Regarding E85 At Federal Fleet Fueling Centers

    by: Lisa Hannah

    Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 21:51:51 PM CDT


    In the next claim to debunk, Terry is claims he promoted "Ethanol use in the Federal Vehicle Fleet". Specifically, the release states:

    Under legislation introduced by Terry (HR 3117), all such centers must have at least one E85 fuel pump.

    It then says for reference "H.R. 2927 - House Energy and Commerce Committee Amendment", and that it's found under PL 110-140, Section 141.

    First, this is an example of completely sloppy work by Terry and his staff. How so?

    Well, H.R. 2927 has nothing to do with E85 Fuel Pumps. Just click on the link, and go to the text of the legislation, and look for "Federal Fleet Fueling Centers". Nothing.

    Second, Section 141 of H.R. 6, which became PL 110-140, it's about "Federal Vehicle Fleets", not about setting up E85 pumps. Matter of fact, that particular section can be traced to Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Missouri), when it was put into H.R. 3221 as an amendment.

    Lisa Hannah :: Terry Claim Regarding E85 At Federal Fleet Fueling Centers
    The bill Terry references, H.R. 3117, is a short bill. It states:

    SECTION 1. FEDERAL FLEET FUELING CENTERS.

    (a) In General- Not later than January 1, 2010, the head of each Federal agency shall install at least 1 renewable fuel pump at each Federal fleet fueling center in the United States under the jurisdiction of the head of the Federal agency.

    (b) Report- Not later than October 31 of the first calendar year after the date of enactment of this Act, and each October 31 thereafter, the President shall submit to Congress a report that describes the progress towards complying with subsection (a), including identifying--

    (1) the number of Federal fleet fueling centers that contain at least 1 renewable fuel pump; and

    (2) the number of Federal fleet fueling centers that do not contain any renewable fuel pumps.

    (c) Authorization of Appropriations- There are authorized to be appropriated such sums as are necessary to carry out this section.

    Now, there actually is a place in the law, Section 246, that has this language inserted. However, despite the fact that the Terry people will claim this is "proof" of him "conceptualizing" and "taking the lead role", this couldn't be further from the truth.

    This very same language is found in the following:

    S.2306, introduced by Sen. Byron Dorgan.

    H.R.3238, introduced by Rep. Rick Boucher.

    H.R.3221, introduced by Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

    Elements of these bills all made it into H.R.6. However, lets look again at what Terry is claiming: That "his" idea was agreed to in committee.

    The bill that the Energy and Commerce Committee put forward was H.R. 3238 (link above). There was a committee hearing on June 28, 2007, listed as Committee Print #4. Under that, you see Terry had only one amendment, but he withdrew it. Plus it had nothing to do with "federal fleet fueling centers".

    However, the wording and the amendment was introduced......by Rep. Stupak of Michigan, and Rep. Inslee of Washington.

    But H.R. 3238 did not get added to H.R.6. Rather the elements (including E85) from Pelosi's H.R. 3221, which Terry had no part in, were what were presented, as it is listed as the one bill with this language that was "related" to H.R.6. And this language was introduced into H.R.6 by the House Rules Committee through H.RES.846 and their Report 110-474, by pulling in the Pelosi bill language.

    But to settle this once and for all that Terry DID NOT "conceptualize" the idea, I checked further back.

    The original idea of requiring at least one E85 pump at federal fleet fueling centers, and requiring regular, yearly reports, was first introduced on May 16, 2006 by Senator Mark Dayton in S.2812. He then reintroduced it on September 29, 2006 in S.4020, with Senators Dorgan, Harkin, Durbin, Obama, and Stabenow co-sponsoring.

    SUMMARY

    Terry did not "conceptualize" or "take the lead" on this issue.

    The original idea was introduced in the Senate in 2006.

    He did not submit it in a committee hearing as an amendment. Rather, Rep's Stupak and Islee did that in the bill the committee submitted.

    The same language was used in bills in the House and Senate, with the language eventually being pulled from a bill introduced by Speaker Nancy Pelosi by the House Rules Committee.

    And Terry fought the legislation the entire way.

    In the Energy and Commerce Committee vote on their bill, H.R.3238, he voted against it.

    When H.R. 3221 was passed in the House, Terry voted against it.

    When H.RES.846 was voted on, which added the language, he voted against it.

    When H.R.6, with the new provisions, was voted on, he voted against it.

    It was only on the final vote, that Terry finally supported the bill.

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    WHAT?!? (0.00 / 0)
    You mean Terry's completely making this stuff up???  I'll try ever so hard to hide my surprise.  So, PG, what ridiculous claim will you make to try and justify this now?

    Read this! (0.00 / 0)
    Folks:

    Sorry for the delay in responding to Lisa's "research"--I use that term very lightly.  As you will see, not all actions show up on THOMAS--but, Lisa's cut and paste also deliberately left out information on Terry's amendments.  Here are the facts:

    Members of Congress frequently collaborate and only one Member's name is ever listed as the sponsor of a particular bill; not being listed first on a bill does not mean a Member was not intimately involved in drafting the legislation.  The same applies to amendments offered to legislation during Committee consideration.

    The order of names listed on bills oftentimes is made based considerations of what will make it easier to pass, i.e. in a Democrat-controlled Congress a bi-partisan bill is more likely to gain approval with a Democrat's name listed first than if a Republican's name is listed first.  Hence H.R. 2927 (Hill-Terry) is listed under Thomas as being introduced by Congressman Hill, even though he and Congressman Terry played equal roles in writing and advocating for the bill within the Congress and their respective parties.  Thus Thomas does not always accurately reflect a Members involvement in passing a bill or amendment. Accordingly, because it was included in H.R. 6 (which contained H.R. 3221 and became Public Law 110-140) before it came to the floor, but was not voted on individually, Thomas does not list it as becoming law, even though it did so with some final perfecting tweaks made to it before its incorporation into H.R. 6.

    Thomas does not list committee amendments.  However, a list of amendments offered during Committee Consideration can be found here at the committee site--go to Energy and Commerce.

    Congressman Terry offered the federal fleet refueling amendment to Committee Print number four with Democrat Bart Stupak and passed by voice vote.  It was the third amendment offered to that Committee Print and it became Section 246 of Public Law 110-140.

    Thomas lists Congressman Terry's geo-thermal amendment as Number 35 on the list of bills he has introduced. Its details are below:
    H.AMDT.747 to H.R.3221
    Title: Amendment encourages the use of geothermal technology in government buildings.  
    Sponsor: Rep Terry, Lee [R-NE-2] (introduced 8/4/2007) Cosponsors: (none)
    Latest Major Action: 8/4/2007 House amendment agreed to. Status: On agreeing to the Terry amendment (A005) Agreed to by voice vote.  It became section 439.

    When drafting large legislation such as the Energy Policy Act of 2005 (P.L. 109-58), Committee Chairman frequently work with their respective committee members to incorporate bills authored by committee members of the Chairman's party.  This reduces the need for Majority members to offer as many amendments as they would otherwise when the full committee considers a bill.  Because these negotiations occur in private and they are not included in official committee records.  Accordingly, the Library of Congress staff persons who maintain Thomas are not able to keep track of which individual bills a Member of Congress introduced are included in larger omnibus legislation.  Thus, Thomas is not always an accurate assessment of an individual Congressman's effectiveness on his committee.

    Promote ethanol use in the federal Fleet

    U.S. Rep. Lee Terry is widely recognized as one of Congress' premier experts on energy policy and the use of renewable fuels such as ethanol.  

    H.R. 3221- House Energy & Commerce Committee Amendment (amendment number three offered to Committee Print number four with Democrat Bart Stupak and passed by voice vote)
    Public Law 110-140
    Section 246 -federal vehicle fleets

    Any questions?


    [ Parent ]
    I feel sorry for you. (0.00 / 0)
    I really do. I can tell by your tone you're starting to panick. It's okay. Those first moments of realization can be the toughest. But I will continue to help you through it.

    First, this post is not about Hill-Terry. I will say this: Because of your initial refusal to provide a list, that was why I had to go to Thomas, especially because of your "authored and took the lead" claims. But I will get to Hill-Terry, give the credit where credit is due, but also put Terry in the place he really is, and that was NOT in the "lead". Stay tuned.

    And the geothermal amendment, if you remember, was already discussed in the first article. Did you miss that as the one amendment I gave him credit for? Anyway, I will look closer now, given your campaigns desire to take all credit instead of being respectful to the work others have done as well.

    Now, I've got a couple questions for you.

    1.  You claim Terry introduced the federal fleet refueling amendment with Rep. Stupack. But did you click on the link? It came from that very committee hearing. The amendment offered (the actually copy that you can see on the pdf) says: "Amendment offered by Mr. Stupak of Michigan and Mr. Inslee of Washington". If Terry was a part of that, his name would be on it, correct? At least, that's how Congress actually works in the real world.

    2.  You claim Terry is "widely recognized as one of Congress' premier experts on energy policy and the use of renewable fuels".  Tell me this, then: If he is such a "premier" expert, and given that he's been on only one committee (Energy & Commerce), why isn't he on the Subcommittee on Energy and Air Quality? That's the one that does the most work on energy. After all, several with a lot less seniority are on there.

    By the way, talk about "cut & paste", that whole post, give the lack of paragraph seperations in places, and the lack of any flow of order, makes it clear it was a cut & paste from your campaign notes. Did your communications director give you permission to post their personal notes?  


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    Whatever floats your boat, go for it! (0.00 / 0)
    Any emotion you want to display is fine with me Lisa.  Be sad--or happy--either way is fine.

    In regard to your new questions:  I had asked a few myself yesterday--let's deal with those first, ok?

    1)  Do rules matter at all to Esch?  If they do, why hasn't he filed his financial disclosure form with the U.S. House?  It is now 50 days late.  

    2)  Can you use your research skills to help Esch with his FEC reports?  He still is delinquent on filing an April Quarterly report with the FEC--it was due June 13.  And, the pre-primary report he just filed today is bogus--it inflates his COH by $2,700.  Any idea why he'd do that?

    3)  Has Esch plagiarized anything else on his web site besides the Brookings Institution report in May?  

    I wish you and yours an outstanding 4th!  


    [ Parent ]
    Ask Esch.... (0.00 / 0)
    I've only met him a couple times. I can't even vote for him because I don't live in his district.

    And he's not my focus. Terry is.

    Bit of advice: The more you avoid what has been presented by trying to divert away from it, the more solid my research becomes. You are hurting your boss, not helping him, because by devoting so much time (and I bet pay for you) to desperately try to get people who frequent this site not to look at the man behind the curtain, you only give credit to what I am presenting.

    Now....I've provided all links and sources. You've only ranted about "But...Esch" and "Terry is great".....where is your proof that can refute what I have turned up about Terry's record using public records?  


    [ Parent ]
    Shift your focus to this... (0.00 / 0)
    Lisa--as you continue to conduct 'research', please be sure to reference the following on your Hill-Terry discussion:

    "I want to at this time to pay particular compliment and congratulations to two of our very able colleagues and those who have joined them in their efforts to protect this legislation.  Mr. Hill of Indiana, an extremely valuable member of this body and Mr. Terry,another very valuable member of this body.  These two members, from Indiana and Nebraska, have provided extraordinary leadership in this matter, in the Hill-Terry bill, and the deserve a great thanks and congratulations of this Congress."

    Statement of Rep. John Dingell
    Chairman, Energy and Commerce Committee

    Thanks again for all of your hard work!  Little by little, you are confirming Terry's leadership on these bills (you're admitting three now, right?)  Keep going!

    You deserve alot of credit here--as you do for the 'research' projects against Rep. Smith.  Those have been quite successful, haven't they.  

    Again, have a great 4th!  

     


    [ Parent ]
    really (0.00 / 0)
    U.S. Rep. Lee Terry is widely recognized as one of Congress' premier experts on energy policy and the use of renewable fuels such as ethanol.  

    Give us a quote, something, anything as your support for this. I don't want a 'google it' or 'go to such and such website and look it up' answer. You posted the claim, you should have taken the initiative to post your support with your claim, but since you didnt, you should be able to find it and put it up now.

    Not that it will influence my opinoin of Terry. I could never vote for or support someone who couldn't give me (a twelfth grader at the time)a logical explanation on why he supported John Ashcroft's nomination for Attorney General.  


    [ Parent ]
    Snake Oil (0.00 / 0)
    That's what you're peddling PG. You're going to need a better dog and pony show that what you've been showing to get my quarter for what's in that bottle.

    [ Parent ]
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