Nebraska GOP Could Excommunicate State Senators Who Oppose Electoral College Takeover

Sore loser bill (0.00 / 0)

The bill to revert to a winner take all system in Nebraska is a sore loser bill.  The Nebraska GOP still hasn't gotten over McCain's loss to Obama in CD-02 in 2008.  The GOP's support for a winner take all law tells me that they believe Obama will carry CD-02 again in 2012.  

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by: Ronaldo @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 04:06:56 AM UTC

Excommunicate Michaelis, McGill, Conrad! (0.00 / 0)

The ones who should be excommunicated are Catholics like Kyle Michaelis, Amanda McGill, Danielle Conrad for their very public and open dissent from their faith's definitive teaching on life issues.

I wish Bishop Fabian would at the very least give them a warning: their eternal souls are in danger due to their pro-abortion, pro-homosexuality, pro-embryonic stem cell destruction support!

If they were claiming to work for Coke, yet worked 24-hours a day promoting Pepsi, they would have fired a long, long time ago!

Wake up Democrats, when you support such stances, you are supporting mortal sin, evil and you are responsible.

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by: Faustina13 @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 04:53:21 AM UTC

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Zzzzzzzzzz....... (0.00 / 0)

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by: Lisa Hannah @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 06:30:34 AM UTC

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zzzzz (0.00 / 0)

your conscience must have fallen asleep a long time ago

go from supporting death to life and get back on the just path

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by: Faustina13 @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 06:43:46 AM UTC

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Bwhahaha (0.00 / 0)

....no, your pious righteousness, preaching and self-proclaimed sainthood has put me to sleep. I learned a long time ago that people like you, the louder you speak, the more you have to hide about yourself.  

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by: Lisa Hannah @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 16:56:34 PM UTC

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Watch it Fausti! (0.00 / 0)

"Judgement is mine saith the Lord."

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Your condemnation of the "sins" of others is placing your own soul in danger.  Repent sinner, or prepare to spend eternity with the damned.

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by: R. Schommer @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 07:07:11 AM UTC

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admonish one who is sinning (0.00 / 0)

is both a requirement and an act of mercy

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by: Faustina13 @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 12:10:12 PM UTC

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No problem. (0.00 / 0)

You're welcome.

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by: R. Schommer @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 14:06:51 PM UTC

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No problem (0.00 / 0)

Don't worry, Faustina13. You're not going to Hell for this, because there isn't one. It's all imaginary, just like Heaven. Just like God.

However, you should still try to do the right thing. And the right thing is to look at this stuff logically, recognizing that it's not black and white, but shades of gray.

Whether a fetus is considered a human being or not, it's mother is always a human being. A woman doesn't lose her rights just because she has a fetus inside her.

Of course, when it comes to religion, you can believe whatever loony thing you want. What you can't do is force your own religious beliefs on everyone else. That's why we have the separation of church and state in this country.

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by: WCG @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 01:11:27 AM UTC

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WCG (0.00 / 0)

its not imaginary, its a human life. Regardless of religion, don't you think its wrong to kill another innocent human life?  

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by: Faustina13 @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 19:51:12 PM UTC

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Attack the Church (0.00 / 0)

I expect the responses to my post will consist with disgusting, disrespectful, hate-filled comments thrown at the Church.  

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by: Faustina13 @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 04:54:28 AM UTC

Re: Attack the Church (0.00 / 0)

Faustina-

You do the Church a grave disservice by relying on it to silence political discourse and suppress free speech.  I hope readers will refrain from judging Catholicism by its most reactionary element - which you are only too happy to exemplify.

On a separate note, I'll try to avoid Catholic religious terminology in future diaries.  It's not worth inviting your repetition of these same tired "arguments" over and over again.

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by: Kyle Michaelis @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 05:51:51 AM UTC

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You do a great disservice to the church by your positions! (0.00 / 0)

i never once tried to silence political discourse nor suppress free speech.
you owe me an apology for that sir
Catholicism's defense of human life is beautiful and noble
for you to call it "reactionary" just shows you how far out of whack your moral compass is
i am proud to stand for the pro-life cause, especially in the lion's den called the new neb netwrk

you might of me as your enemy, but i'm your friend, i'm trying to wake you up my brother to the very terrible things you are publicly promoting.

your soul is at stake

have you read the catholic church's teachings on life?

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by: Faustina13 @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 06:42:12 AM UTC

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meet with your bishop (0.00 / 0)

why don't you arrange a meeting w you, mcgill, conrad with your bishop Fabian b

tell him all the positions you have been expousing

and let us know what he says

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by: Faustina13 @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 06:46:27 AM UTC

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And the Kleebs! (0.00 / 0)

Especially Jane who ran up to Fox to defend Planned Parenthood.

Wasn't your mother Jane, a pro-life activist? I am should she is real proud of her daughter's support for making abortion a human right, working to fund Planned Parenthood, etc.

Join me in the line for Confessions!

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by: Faustina13 @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 04:57:24 AM UTC

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (0.00 / 0)

Would someone swat that damned fly?

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by: R. Schommer @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 06:55:01 AM UTC

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Faustina.... (4.00 / 1)

I assume that you never voted for George W. Bush due to his having embraced the death penalty as governor of Texas.

I assume you joined Pope John Paul II in opposing the Iraq War as an unjust war out of line with church teachings.

I assume you have worked tirelessly for fair treatment for immigrants both legal and illegal as directives from the USCCB's Justice for Immigrants campaign show us.

I assume that you are a vocal advocate for government policy to create justice including fair employment practices, living wages, and assuring a safety net for the poor.

I could keep going. But I won't, because I trust that in your overwhelming righteousness you are never outside of church teachings on these or other matters. Right?

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by: bbjamfan @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 16:31:44 PM UTC

Whoohoo... (0.00 / 0)

...you go girl! I would never dare to get into an argument about Catholicism with you! :o)

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by: Lisa Hannah @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 16:59:23 PM UTC

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Well...you know me :) (0.00 / 0)

Thanks!  

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by: bbjamfan @ Fri Sep 09, 2011 at 14:47:35 PM UTC

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Faustina.... (0.00 / 0)

I assume that you never voted for George W. Bush due to his having embraced the death penalty as governor of Texas.

I assume you joined Pope John Paul II in opposing the Iraq War as an unjust war out of line with church teachings.

I assume you have worked tirelessly for fair treatment for immigrants both legal and illegal as directives from the USCCB's Justice for Immigrants campaign show us.

I assume that you are a vocal advocate for government policy to create justice including fair employment practices, living wages, and assuring a safety net for the poor.

I could keep going. But I won't, because I trust that in your overwhelming righteousness you are never outside of church teachings on these or other matters. Right?

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by: bbjamfan @ Thu Sep 08, 2011 at 16:31:44 PM UTC

bbjamfan, lisa - you are waaaayyyy off (0.00 / 0)

To begin with,

I will just stratch the surface of some of my background. Why? Because it proves that many of the stereotypes that anti-lifers spread is that pro-lifers;

a. are all right-wing nuts
b. all Democrats
c. do not care about the poor

You see my dear friends, I was once like you! I used to think, all those pro-lifers only care about the child in the womb and then once its outside, they don't care. It is believing in this myth that helps ease own our troubled conscience, because even though that myth is so persuasive, deep down inside, you still know that it is still wrong to kill an innocent, defenseless human life at its earliest, most vulnerable stages. This conscience stings, and you want to get rid of it, so you lash out in anger and point the finger at the other side and try to paint them in the worst possible light, in order to try in vain to silence your conscience.  

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by: Faustina13 @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 02:29:45 AM UTC

shattering your illusions (0.00 / 0)

Here's a little background;

when I was a junior in high school, i organized;
- an anti-apartheid workshop, "teach-in"
- organized a drive to send supplies to Mozambique
- volunteered at the Francis House homeless shelter once a week for a year

when I was a senior in high school, I
- spoke out against prejudice in my school
- spoke out against US policy in Central America to my teachers
- helped with various porjects to assist the homeless

following high school, I

became an active member of Nebraskans for Peace, Youth for Peace, worked on paid staff at the Dorothy Day Catholic Worker soup kitchen, attended a rally with featured the late Cesar Chavez, engaged in civil disobiedence at Offutt, etc.

I organized local anti-war groups, lead voter registration drives, became a leader in local Democrat party activiities, etc. Helped get a public skatepark, helped get candidates elected, etc.

I worked side by side and learned from local activists that you probably never even heard of; Bill and Marge Farmer, Dolores Goodlet, Rowena Moore, Al Rodriquez, etc.

Believe me, this is just the tip of the iceberg. I will put my progressive activist credentials and body of work up against anyone. And yeah, Jane Kleeb, I had the conviction to actually get arrested for the cause. (anti-Gulf war)  

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by: Faustina13 @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 02:40:08 AM UTC

Abortion/Death Penalty (0.00 / 0)

Attention Catholics:

THE DIFFERNCE BETWEEN ABORTION AND THE DEATH PENALTY;

Abortion is always an intrinsic evil, always a grave mortal sin. Never allowed under any circumstance. As Catholics, you can not be "pro-choice" and say you are following Catholic teaching.

The Church has stated that the death penalty is in rare and unique circumstances, a right of the state to exercise. Over the years, the Church has become increasing critical of all and any use of the death penalty. In reality, it is basically opposed to capital punishment, except with the most extreme rarest of rare occasions where it can be proven that the criminal poses a threat to other humans by living. In this day and age, that is virtually impossible to prove - with life w/o parole, the chance of rehabilitation, etc. In fact, the late, great, Blessed Pope John Paul II personally intervened to persuade US governors to halt executions. (As well, please remember the powerful example of JPII who went into the prison cell to forgive the man who tried to kill him!)

key things to remember: abortion is the deliberate, intentional killing of an innocent, defenseless human life. The case was made (which I never bought) that the criminal is not innocent, had a chance to defend themselves through years of appeals, poses threats to other prisoners, guards, and society at large if they ever got out.

ps - I have been a member of Nebraskans against the Death Penalty since the mid-1980's. Paul Farrand and his wife, Julie K, are friends of mine and my family.
Funny though, there are a whole lot of anti-death penalty people who love Planned Parenthood, NOW, and making abortion a cherished right.

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by: Faustina13 @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 02:53:27 AM UTC

Challenge to Anti-Death Penalty people on this blog: (0.00 / 0)

Here's a challenge::

All you anti-capital punishment Democrats who are so outraged at GW Bush's record on the death penalty or Rick Perry, please write back if you also oppose the state-sponsored killing of the innocent through abortion!

Please sign in....

I'll wait to see the list.....

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by: Faustina13 @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 02:55:20 AM UTC

THe myth (lie) that pro-lifers don't care about the poor (0.00 / 0)

I know many, many pro-lifers personally and from 20 years of activism within the progressive community as well, i would say that both groups care about the care greatly. There are two ways of seeing issues though. Each side could learn from each other.

One myth that I used to believe was that pro-lifers just liked to stand outside the clinic and shout and not do anything about the women struggling.

If you ever took the time to get to meet some of the pro-life movement leaders and rank & file you would be impressed and amazed at their committment to the poor and to women and families.

For everyone of you who believe in the misguidance of Planned Parenthood, there are also others who work night and day to reach out to women, to help to provide training, guidance, financial support, education, etc. to all mothers struggling and to women in general and their families to chose the right path, the more noble path: choose life, choose hope, choose family, marriage, purity, committment

Do Not be fooled by friends, Democrats often try to paint anyone who sees flaws in welfare programs as "uncaring towards the poor".

It is central to Catholic belief to love your neighbor, to love the poor. Just look at examples in Scripture: Lazareth and Dives, "whosoever you do to the least...", etc.

But, the key is: THAT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN CATHOLICS HAVE TO SUPPORT GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS

The bottom line is: you must be concerned about the plight of the disadvantaged. If you do not, you are in bad shape morally speaking. But, there are a number of ways that people can disagree on how to help the poor best. Blessed are the poor does not mean Blessed is Big Government, despite what Keith Oblerman says.  

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by: Faustina13 @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 03:04:32 AM UTC

Here's an example: (0.00 / 0)

Here's a perfect example:

All we hear from Democrats is, "help the poor..........by raising taxes to pay for government programs"

If one opposes certain programs Democrats often unfairly brand them as being callous or mean to the poor.

Let me ask you folks,

How do Government programs like Public Housing work?

Did it help the poor?
Did it uplift the poor?

You see, there may have been some positive things about public housing but the case can also be made that public housing didn't work (it wasn't fair, it lead to a culture of crime and dependency, segregated poor people, etc)....

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by: Faustina13 @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 03:07:36 AM UTC

Programs vs Abortion (0.00 / 0)

A Catholic can not say a candidate who supports supposed anti-poverty programs yet is "pro-choice" is following Catholic teaching more than a candidate who is pro-death penalty and pro-life.

Why?

Again,

One can disagree with the effectiveness of a government program yet still have concern for the poor

One can never support the deliberate killing of innocent people. (You can't support someone who believes in terrorism, enthuanasia, embryonic stem cell research, either)

You can never place a government program over the support of enshrining into law a moral evil such as abortion.

So, bbjamfan, you are mistaken.

I will be happy to meet with you to show you Catholic documents and teachings.  

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by: Faustina13 @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 03:11:39 AM UTC

I am a sinner (0.00 / 0)

I am trying to help you see the light, because you are engaging in some very bad, I would even say morally harming things.

This doesn't make me self-righteous. I have an obligation to tell my brother and my sister who are so publicly promoting abortion and grave sins like that.

Is that judging? If I am judging you personally, your worthiness as a person, deciding whether you "deserve" punishment, etc. then yes, I am sinnining.

But, if I am merely pointing out your mistakes, I am not judging you but actually showing you love and mercy.

Correct your actions, friends. Love the sinner, hate the sin is not judging.

To say someone is judging just because they say you are doing something wrong is judging.

Funny, if someone made a statement that you didn't like, for example against homosexuals, you would immediately jump all over their case I would imagine. Would that be judging them????

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by: Faustina13 @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 03:16:40 AM UTC

More than a sinner (0.00 / 0)

You're more than just a sinner, Fausti, you're a dangerous fanatic.

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by: R. Schommer @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 18:38:32 PM UTC

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thanks R Schommer (0.00 / 0)

i know the idea of not killing innocent life is a strange concept these days

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by: Faustina13 @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 18:54:30 PM UTC

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Your friends are murderers (4.00 / 1)

Did you watch the Republican Presidential debate?  The biggest applause of the night was for the death penalty in Texas.  All the evidence suggests that several of those people who were executed were innocent.  Why don't you go post some inane rants on a conservative blog about their bloodthirsty lust for murdering innocent people?

I don't know of anyone who is pro-choice that thinks an abortion is something to cheer for.  You should use some of that manic energy of yours to chastise the evil folks who condone state sponsored murder.

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by: R. Schommer @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 21:06:31 PM UTC

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r schommer (0.00 / 0)

read my other comments please. I already answered.

by the way, no one took my challenge. No one signed.  

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by: Faustina13 @ Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 01:10:48 AM UTC

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Read this quote (0.00 / 0)

"A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate's permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia."

then Cardinal Ratinzger 2004 letter to Cardinal McCormick

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by: Faustina13 @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 03:21:05 AM UTC

Ratinzger? (0.00 / 0)

That name rings a bell.  Isn't he the guy that used to be a member of the Hitler Youth?  Was it something about covering up for priests who molested children?

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by: R. Schommer @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 18:30:39 PM UTC

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nice try (0.00 / 0)

nice try R Schommer, have a good day

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by: Faustina13 @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 19:14:54 PM UTC

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abortion more important (0.00 / 0)

"Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. There may be legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not... with regard to abortion and euthanasia."

Cardinal Ratinzger now Pope Benedict  

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by: Faustina13 @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 03:22:43 AM UTC

Yep.... (0.00 / 0)

Fausty's gone off the deep end.....I'm still bored, too.

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by: Lisa Hannah @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 05:42:25 AM UTC

you never have a response Lisa, only put downs (0.00 / 0)

not very nice Lisa Hannah

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by: Faustina13 @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 05:58:40 AM UTC

Actually.... (0.00 / 0)

I'm a little bored, too. Sorry, but I have to go with Lisa on this one.

You can rattle off your alleged "credentials" all day to prove to me that I don't know you well enough to answer you. Not once, in all of that babble have you acknowledged that YOU DON'T KNOW ME.

I've been there and done that with the pro-life movement. Ask Lisa. She can confirm that. She and I go wayyyyyyyy wayyyyyy back nearly to birth. (a wink for Lisa....;)

Here's what I know about the pro-life movement. When I spent a great deal of time helping a pregnant single mother care for her toddler, the pro-life activists who surrounded me at the time told me I SHOULD STOP HELPING THE GIRL.

All of them. Without exception. People in the organizations. People who spent Saturdays at the clinics. People who spouted the same rhetoric you are spouting on here. These fine upstanding people who care about the poor and care about children and care about life oh so much....their response to someone among them helping a young pregnant single mother was beyond negative. Some went so far to tell me that I was sinning by supporting her.  And that was when I saw them for what they really are. And it isn't something that involves a damn ounce of compassion or decency for living breathing humans or a shred of respect for women.

And I know priests who would have a lot to say to you about actively supporting politicians who advocate the death penalty here in a society where it is not necessary.  

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by: bbjamfan @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 17:55:31 PM UTC

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Bbjamfan (0.00 / 0)

I don't know what "pro-lifers" you were with (that one time?) but they do not represent the many people I know personally who are pro-life.

Why don't we set up a meeting?

Let's talk in person, and yes you too Lisa.

Are you basing a negative experience to paint the whole pro-life side that way?

I am willing to introduce to a variety of pro-life people, groups, organizations that work for women, struggling families, the fundamental dignity of human life from conception to natural death.

Why did the "pro-lifers" tell you to stop helping the pregnant woman? Did they ever explain? Maybe they thought you were escorting her into the clinic to kill the baby? What was the full context of the incident? How can you judge everyone because of this one? incident?

The "pro-lifers" you know and not the pro-lifers I know.

Anytime you want, I'd like to introduce you to some of my friends. In exchange you can introduce me to your Planned Parenthood friends?

Its time for us to find common ground and help each other.

let's have the courage to do it!  

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by: Faustina13 @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 19:04:49 PM UTC

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Oh, please.... (0.00 / 0)

The world is not black and white. Anyone who is not trolling the web to post anti-abortion rants is not automatically taking women to get abortions or working for Planned Parenthood. I do not personally know anyone affiliated with Planned Parenthood.

And my "credentials" with the pro-life movement and experiences with people involved are not confined to "that one time" as you so oddly decided to put it.

You are quite the hypocrite just in your responses here. You practically scream at me and everyone else not to judge you or your background, not to make assumptions and that to do so isn't fair because we don't know you. But you freely make judgments and assumptions about all of us. Nice.  

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by: bbjamfan @ Sat Sep 10, 2011 at 21:59:29 PM UTC

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Wrong again bbjamfan (0.00 / 0)

You said you know Lisa.
And Lisa is supportive of Planned Parenthood.
As well, it is fair to assume since you are "pro-choice" you know other "pro-choicers" and liberal activists.

I think those are fair assumptions. If I am wrong than I apologize.

On the other hand, it is common for "pro-choicers" are "right wing nuts" or uncaring for women and the poor. My background for one, helps to dispel that myth.

You are either on the side of Life or not Bbjamfan.

From what you have stated it seems that you are "pro-choice" only due to the bad behavior of some "pro-lifers".

But, what about the heart of the matter. Does someone have the right to kill an innocent human being just because it is in its earliest stages?

Yes or No

Whenever you want to meet, let's arrange it. YOu can bring Lisa, WGC, Kyle, whomever you like. And I would like to extend an invitation to you and all others to come visit me and my friends sometime, I will show you all the efforts we are taking to support life, family, women, etc.

I welcome meeting you and others. R Schommer will be a challenge but he is welcomed also. I am convinced the pro-life cause will eventually win you all over. I am just a poor, inarticulate spokesperson.

God Bless,
Choose Life

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by: Faustina13 @ Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 01:21:51 AM UTC

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Everyone, please read this.... (0.00 / 0)

"America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men.

It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father's role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts -- a child -- as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters"

And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners.

Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign." (Mother Theresa -- "Notable and Quotable," Wall Street Journal, 2/25/94, p. A14)

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by: Faustina13 @ Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 01:25:25 AM UTC

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How nice! (4.00 / 1)

Why, Fausti, I had no idea you thought of me as an extra special hard core case.  I am truly flattered that you hold me in such high regard.

Prior to you posting your inane rants here I'd given the topic of abortion very little thought.  As a male, I was never going to need an abortion, so I considered it largely a women's issue.  I still do.

Your failure is in your approach.  When you're so fanatical about an issue that you can not argue or debate it without passing judgment and looking down on those who disagree with you, you only create more opposition to your position.  I know many people who have left the "pro-life" movement precisely because they no longer wish to be associated with a core group of fanatics who see the entire debate in terms of black and white.  There is a hell of a lot more gray in the world than there is black and white combined.  Your willingness to pass judgment on those who've made one of the most difficult choices they will ever make in their lives is repugnant.  Even to those who might agree with you in principle.

You wouldn't want to introduce me to your friends.  I might have them dancing around a pentagram before it was all over and enjoying a dish of Christian babies sautéed  in a fine wine sauce.

Make your own choices in life and don't pass judgment on others for the choices they make.

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by: R. Schommer @ Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 12:00:54 PM UTC

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R Schommer (0.00 / 0)

You are a really sick person.
I truly hope you get well one day.
I am wishing you the best.
I tried my best to get you to see that abortion is clear cut, its taking an innocent human life. Maybe that is just too shocking or disturbing for you to realize. It's hard I know, I was once like you and believed in all the pro-choice myths and excuses.
I will continue to work even harder now to push forward ideas of peace, social justice, protection of life, and strengthening of the family. And, also allowing religious thought inside the public square, not to dominate, but only to be heard and considered, like other ideas and influences.
Peace, my brother.  

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by: Faustina13 @ Sun Sep 11, 2011 at 20:00:00 PM UTC

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Apology to R Schommer (and others) (0.00 / 0)

R Schommer,

I apologize to you personally for some of my past comments. Upon reflection, my language that I used was uncalled for and inappropiate. I personally apologize. I apologize for any personal insults or attacks or any comments that were interrupted as such. That goes to others as well, Lisa, WCG, Bbfam, Rolando, Darwin, etc. (apologies for misspelling your user names also).

You all care very much about your cause. But, I am just as committed on the other side and it absolutely breaks my heart that anyone could support and justify abortion.

I'm not from a different planet people, life is complicated and challenging no doubt. A lot of us face enormous difficulties and are in desperate situations. If that is what you mean by "gray areas", I understand and face them also.

But, as hard as it is, in my sincere and heartful opinion abortion is not the answer, not the solution, and will not make your situation better. I want to spare women from the nightmare and scares of a lifetime, when they falsely choose abortion.

Instead of joining me and millions of others who are working with no fanfare to create a culture of life, where women are lifted up, respected, and treated with dignity, you seem to be out there cheerleading for abortion as a "right".

I think that is so dangerously misguided.

Thank you --- let's think about meeting all together sometime in the future at some pub or restaurant....

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by: Faustina13 @ Mon Sep 12, 2011 at 04:04:50 AM UTC

This is why you fail (4.00 / 1)

These comments point out why you fail in your "cause":

...it absolutely breaks my heart that anyone could support and justify abortion.

I want to spare women from the nightmare and scares of a lifetime, when they falsely choose abortion.

The first makes an assumption about people who disagree with you and it's the statement of a blind and deaf person who's put others into a narrow category.

The second makes an assumption about any given woman at any given time that makes a choice that you don't agree with, without knowing their situation, their reasons, and assuming that whatever it is that the decision they make, if abortion, is the most harmful to them. Its a blind statement that doesn't acknowledge that you don't have all the answers, don't know all situations, and you, frankly, have no right to any given woman's information.

"He who is without sin, caste the first stone". There's a reason that is a powerful message.

You are all worried about a few cells in a petri dish. I, on the other hand, see the worst that people can do to the living, breathing, born children.

From the 2 year old with bruising covering her back that I had to go out at midnight to see at the ER because the boyfriend didn't like her crying, to the 4 month old baby 3 weeks ago that was covered with so many bruises that she died from the injuries because the boyfriend didn't want to deal with the crying.

From the parents who are so caught up in fighting each other for custody that they use their kids to get at each other and don't see how emotionally abusive their actions are, to the 10 year old that can't seem to learn basic math because his mother used cocaine and heroine on a regular basis while he was in the womb, therefore most likely causing the problems with his learning skills, and as a result he acts up in class all the time and picks fights.

From the 1 1/2 year old covered in scabies and lice because mom was too busy going from place to place to get her latest fix, and who slept 12 straight hours in the ER because it was probably the first good sleep he had in weeks,  to the children you meet who's parents are living in a van in the parking lot because they have no home and got kicked out of the shelter.

These are just a taste of what I have seen, and I have seen much, much worse. I have seen families that represent generations of horrible dysfunction and destruction. And when a young girl who has whored herself out to the local gang, is only 17, has 3 kids with various problems because of drug use during pregnancy, who lives from place to place,  and has found out she's going to have her 4th baby, and who's so strung out on crack she continues having sex to have the drugs, turns to you and says "I think I'm going to get an abortion this time", you find as you look in her eyes, and at the horrible life she's living, that you can't disagree with her.  You find yourself thinking it's best to see what can be done to stop this cycle with the babies already born and the mom who's still a baby herself, so that they maybe have a chance at a normal life.

You may not agree with this, but I don't really care. I'm not asking you to see as I see. I couldn't give a crap what you think and how you insist I must believe as you do, because I never will. I see the real world every day, and life for the sake of life isn't always the right answer.  

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by: Lisa Hannah @ Tue Sep 13, 2011 at 02:42:06 AM UTC

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Thanks (0.00 / 0)

I appreciate your comments Lisa.
We still may disagree, but I know we share a lot in common. Will take my time thinking about your comments.

take care,

sorry if my earlier posts were too strong or harsh.

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by: Faustina13 @ Sat Sep 17, 2011 at 17:01:18 PM UTC

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